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View Poll Results: Is America Responsible for the French Revolution ?
Yes, America is responsible for the Revolution 9 13.04%
No, America had nothing to do with the Revolution 21 30.43%
Yes, America was somewhat responsible for the Revolution 39 56.52%
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Old June 12th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #51
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I do believe we were entirely to blame because we bankrupted them.
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Old June 12th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #52

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I do believe we were entirely to blame because we bankrupted them.
Yeah, we kinda did. Sorry, France!!
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Old June 12th, 2011, 12:52 PM   #53

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Along with the French and Indian War, aka The Seven Years War.
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Old June 17th, 2011, 10:17 AM   #54

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I do believe we were entirely to blame because we bankrupted them.
They bankrupted themselves. It must be remembered that France supported America as a proxy to attack England. The French couldn't care less about American independance. They did however want England to be embroiled in a colonial war for as long as possible with as much damage as possible.

France's contributions to America were thus a direct assault on Britain. That was their choice, America is hardly responsible for the French problems thereafter.
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Old June 17th, 2011, 10:42 AM   #55

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One of the main causes of the economic strain was the construction of a Fleet to match the British, this 'cost' would have been incurred whether the American Revolution happened or not.

Arrogent Americans (not on this thread certainly and I've rarely seen it on this site) think that all the ideas of the 'enlightment' came from Boston, that is not true. You can not view America in isolation from the rest of the world.

However the same can be said for France and the revolution in America, returning soldiers and the encouragment it gave to 'radicals' can not be ignored so I would say the answer is somewhat but it was only an influence not the influence.

You could argue that the 'Glorious Revolution' was as much of an influence as the 'constitutional' monarchy of Britain appealed to the upper and middle class' who forced the first revolution.
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Old June 17th, 2011, 11:21 AM   #56

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In another thread I talked about climate changes and political institutions. The crop failures due to freezing from the Maunder Minimum inflated the price of bread astronomically. People will put up with a lot from a corrupt government, except when food and water starts to run out or increases in price.

When Food Changed History: The French Revolution | Food & Think

Perhaps without the Mexican government's action, the tortilla riots would have drove the country over the brink. The rising price of corn has more to do with ethanol rather than the climate, however.

Mexico buys corn futures to ensure tortilla prices remain flat - CSMonitor.com
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I go with the flow... Yes, America was somewhat responsible for the Revolution.

In my opinion, France was influenced by America....
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Old June 17th, 2011, 12:44 PM   #58

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I voted for the third option. France put money into the rebel cause which put a strain on the financial sphere of France and resulted in higher taxes. However, the French revolution would have probably happend anyway, eventually. Alling with the American cause only made it come sooner.

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Old June 17th, 2011, 12:49 PM   #59

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Our populist revolution certainly helped along the French towards the Bastille. After all, when your absolutist monarchic government funds populist republican rebels, it's hard not to get ideas from that. But anyway, we were not a major cause of the Revolution.
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Our populist revolution certainly helped along the French towards the Bastille. After all, when your absolutist monarchic government funds populist republican rebels, it's hard not to get ideas from that. But anyway, we were not a major cause of the Revolution.
It wasn't really the government's spending that made any ideological impact, as opposed to the general epitomisation of liberty and the concepts conceived during the Enlightenment (which the French were quite comfortably aware of, conducting much more dialogue than, say, Russia or America at that time, but less than Britain or the Netherlands). And of course the Lafayette cases; but all this was not a great influence in the large scheme of things. If you're interested, though, there's a thread where this was discussed (a little fervently, but nonetheless) between myself and another member.
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