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Old May 12th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #11

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Yes he was a Monarch but he got the thrown on a unligitimate way and that makes him actually a dictator. But of course he was Emperor to so it's twisting point.
Sorry, how does being illegitimately overthrown qualify one as a dictator? Plenty of monarchs have been overthrown. Doesn't make them dictators by any stretch of the imagination.
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Sorry, how does being illegitimately overthrown qualify one as a dictator? Plenty of monarchs have been overthrown. Doesn't make them dictators by any stretch of the imagination.
A dictator is a ruler (e.g.
Absolute_monarchy Absolute_monarchy
or
Autocracy Autocracy
) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes but not always with military control) but without hereditary ascension such as an
Absolute_monarch Absolute_monarch
.

Well this counts for Napoleon if I am not mistaking.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 03:58 PM   #13

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Alfredo Stroessner, Paraguayan dictator from 1954 to 1989. A real SOB but he did improve Paraguay's economy considerably. It had the highest rate of growth of any South American country during the 1970's.

The really worst I can think of is Fidel Castro. Turned a beautiful island paradise into a prison cell and has/had clung to a discredited economic model for far too long.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 04:11 PM   #14

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Caesar Augustus. For taking the whole dictatorship-thing to a new level. Good show of keeping the outside appearance of a senatorial republic, but at the core an authoritarian regime based on military power and wealth.

An example to us all!
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My first thought is to say Napoleon, for how he spread the enlightenment through Europe and all of the internal improvements he made. Despite all the war that came with him, he did moderzine Europe and improve it in certain areas.
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Can't include Napoleon, he was a monarch.
Au contraire, Monsieur Buonaparte can perfectly be included.
He was a non-monarchical absolute republican dictator for years under the Classically inspired euphemism Le Premier Consul; more exactly four years, six months & eight days, from the infamous 18 Brumaire of the Year VIII to his self-enthronement.
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Up until now I would say Qaddafi.
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I just cannot conjoin the word successful to the word dictator. Perhaps the question could have been, Who was the most benevolent dictator? I have pondered the actual question and found no reasonable answer. Now I will need to ponder my own question and see if I can arrive at a reasonable answer.
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I just cannot conjoin the word successful to the word dictator. Perhaps the question could have been, Who was the most benevolent dictator? I have pondered the actual question and found no reasonable answer. Now I will need to ponder my own question and see if I can arrive at a reasonable answer.
Benevolent dictator:

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Up until now I would say Qaddafi.
Pfff he couldn't even find a decent country to rule.
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A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes but not always with military control) but without hereditary ascension such as an absolute monarch.

Well this counts for Napoleon if I am not mistaking.
First of all, YOU were the one who wanted to exclude absolute monarchs, which Napoleon certainly was.

Secondly, Napoleon established, or wanted to establish a hereditary monarchy. That it didn't last beyond him, until the accession of Napoleon III is a different matter. That, in itself would disqualify him by your definition, regardless of how he came to power, otherwise the founder of any dynasty would be regarded as a dictator.

Many people DO regard Napoleon as a dictator. Your arbitrary exclusion of absolute monarchs, but exception when it comes to Napoleon seems to me like the only reason you're posting these polls is as a thin disguise to put forward your own candidate.

If you just want to say "Napoleon was the most successful dictator/ruler/man with silly hat in history", go ahead and just say it and then you can discuss the whys and wherefores.
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