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Old May 13th, 2011, 12:53 AM   #21

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My first thought is to say Napoleon, for how he spread the enlightenment through Europe and all of the internal improvements he made. Despite all the war that came with him, he did moderzine Europe and improve it in certain areas.
Napoleon was not a dictator, he was an emperor.
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First of all, YOU were the one who wanted to exclude absolute monarchs, which Napoleon certainly was.

Secondly, Napoleon established, or wanted to establish a hereditary monarchy. That it didn't last beyond him, until the accession of Napoleon III is a different matter. That, in itself would disqualify him by your definition, regardless of how he came to power, otherwise the founder of any dynasty would be regarded as a dictator.

Many people DO regard Napoleon as a dictator. Your arbitrary exclusion of absolute monarchs, but exception when it comes to Napoleon seems to me like the only reason you're posting these polls is as a thin disguise to put forward your own candidate.

If you just want to say "Napoleon was the most successful dictator/ruler/man with silly hat in history", go ahead and just say it and then you can discuss the whys and wherefores.
Wow easy man. I'm just saying that many people say he was a dictator and if you look at the definition of dictator then he is one. But it is to you to decide which one was the most succesful. But if you really see him as a Monarch then we keep him out.
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Napoleon was not a dictator, he was an emperor.
Doesnt matter if dictator will call himself "emperor" or "generalissimus". He wasnt born as emperor and in fact he did overthrown the democratic goverment.
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Zhu Yuanzhang wasn't born an Emperor either. He was born a peasant and then became a monk farmer before making himself a general and leading the Chinese into the greatest period of their history, The Ming Dynasty, but he and his descendants were still the Emperors of China.
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Doesnt matter if dictator will call himself "emperor" or "generalissimus". He wasnt born as emperor and in fact he did overthrown the democratic goverment.

Because you find that it was a democratic power before him?
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That would be Castro, I suppose, he's been running Cuba for about fifty years or something now hasn't he?
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Napoleon was not a dictator, he was an emperor.
Again, Monsieur Buonaparte was a military dicator for years (Le Premier Consul).

Please read post #15.
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Which Dictactor could be considered as the most succesful history? So not the best (because their aren't that many good dictators) but in terms of long reign, amount of power, conquest, control in own country etc.
Joseph Stalin in my opinion. He ruled for like twenty years and took an otherwise "backwater/3rd world" country to a super power and defeated a grave threat to his country as an effective administrator. He held Konev and Zhukov like two attack dogs on a leash against the Nazis. Stalin killed ANY and ALL opponents against him; especially "old party comrades" and military leaders whom disliked him. The industrialization that took place under Stalin's leadership changed the nation. I wouldn't classify Stalin as a man who was effective in spreading "communism" or Stalinist style governments cause most of them aren't Stalinist anymore with the exception of North Korea but China, Russia and ETC are no longer "Stalinist". So hes a failure from that perspective but a winner in the sense that he changed Russia,defeated Germany and held on to power until he died at 76.
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