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Old September 4th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #1

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Apparently in western history since 500 BCE the most powerful states used the eagle as an imperial standard. The oldest use of the eagle as imperial standard was the Persian:

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The Roman Eagle standard:

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Holy Roman Empire eagle coat of arms:

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French Imperial eagle:

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German imperial eagle:

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Nazi Eagle:

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USA today:

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Historically nearly all great western superpowers used the eagle as their standard.

The most impressive is the Roman, in proportion to their greatness as the greatest empire of all time. The nazi eagle is a derivative, as napoleon's eagle, both powers tried to become a New Rome but failed.

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Old September 4th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #2

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And why not? The eagle is both majestic and powerful. It is little wonder why states and Empires choose to use it.

Don't forget Russia

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Personally, I find the Australia's unofficial national bird more interesting

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Old September 4th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #3
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Not only superpowers:

Poland
Mexico
Austria-Hungary (a great power, not a 'super" power)
Albania
Serbia
Egypt
Prussia (black)
Brandenburg (red)

One superpower forgotten: Russia
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The eagle is a powerful bird of prey. It is always chosen to send a
message to others.
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Old September 4th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #5

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Not only superpowers:

Poland
Mexico
Austria-Hungary (a great power, not a 'super" power)
Albania
Serbia
Egypt
Prussia (black)
Brandenburg (red)

One superpower forgotten: Russia

However in case of Poland it is not sure what bird it really was in the begining. Around 12th century for sure it was an eagle, but originally it hard to say

Polish coin from begining of 11th century (silver denar of Boleslav the Brave), some historians claim that it is not an eagle but peacock or cock:


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But later definatelly an eagle:

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Old September 4th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #6

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does the large use of it come i think from its use by the roman empire. for centuries many nations were obsessed with the legacy of the roman empire and tried to style their nations as the new rome
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Exactly, there is feedback in the cause and effect. Many states/ rulers apprioate symbolism and names from former successful powerful states. Given the power and effect on the psyche of western Europe, the common usage of the eagle cannot be isolated because of the Roman influence. If Romans had used say the bear or lion perhaps most of later states that used the Eagle would have used the Lion or the bear.
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and they didn't stop with just using the eagle, nearly all rulers who felt they had inherited the legacy of rome proclaimed themselves as 'Cesar' which translated in there language as Kaiser or Tsar.
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The eagle of Saladin is used in various Arab states such as Iraq, Egypt, Yemen and the Palestinian National Authority.
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Ben Franklin supposedly wanted the turkey as the new American symbol.
Yikes.
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