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Old September 11th, 2011, 06:47 PM   #1

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Hitler, Stalin, Mao - who killed more?


I'm guessing that this one may have been covered here before, but I don't recall coming across it, so here goes. I was at a bar the other night and a guy sitting near me was going on about Stalin being the worst killed in history. I chipped in about Mao, but neither of us were sure of who should get this infamous accolade.

I'm pretty sure there are wise minds on here, well-versed on the horrors of 20th Century history to give an informed view on this topic.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #2

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okay a quick google and here's a guy discussing exactly this.

Twentieth Century Atlas - Most Evil Dictator

It comes down to whether you count indirect deaths (starvation due to Mao's policies), or due to war (Hitler started WW2, so do you count everyone who died because of that?), or direct deliberate murder.

So... have a look at the numbers and pick the winner that you put money on.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #3
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okay a quick google and here's a guy discussing exactly this.

Twentieth Century Atlas - Most Evil Dictator

It comes down to whether you count indirect deaths (starvation due to Mao's policies), or due to war (Hitler started WW2, so do you count everyone who died because of that?), or direct deliberate murder.

So... have a look at the numbers and pick the winner that you put money on.
This is straight to the point. Good job!

The numbers change depending on how you look at it. Sure Mao killed more people than the other two but he never intended for it to happen. His policies looked great on paper but when it was implemented, officials within the bureaucracy started messing it up (reporting fake quotas, etc.).
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Old September 11th, 2011, 09:23 PM   #4

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Ah, mingming, always love seeing your posts (your avatar is quite incidental)
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Old September 11th, 2011, 09:48 PM   #5

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The numbers change depending on how you look at it. Sure Mao killed more people than the other two but he never intended for it to happen. His policies looked great on paper but when it was implemented, officials within the bureaucracy started messing it up (reporting fake quotas, etc.).
Even if we count the numbers in the GLF, the statistics are just speculation. It's usually calculated by death rate, in which the census during the era is iffy at best. Plus, it's questionable whether death rate should be used to calculate the number of people killed in the first place. Death rate is a very, very, very broad variable which would include a whole list of factors, not just government policy. The problem lies in that they didn't record every death/the cause of death, nor could they have inputted everything into a computer to process, as it would be impossible to count everything by hand. So what we're left with is the death rate, an entirely unreliable variable for calculating the direct effects of government policy. Whatever result you get from the death rate can at best be seen as a guesstimate.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #6
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Stalin and Mao share the final line with miliseconds...
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:25 PM   #7

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But who's the Sexiest?

Stalin's got the hair and the big bushy mo, but Mao has those round faced baby good looks.
Sorry Hitler but that little nose-mustache was never sexy.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:41 PM   #8

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What about Pol Pot? Because we all know, it's not the evil in the dictator, but rather how many people the dictator could effect with his evil.

Pol Pot and the Marxist Ideal


Wait a second. If two out of three of these evils greatest are Marxists. Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot were Marxist, right?

Maybe this is the most evil man of them all?

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In any event. My vote goes to Hitler. He was clearly the most destructive force to ever hit the planet. (With the exception of Marx perhaps)


The WWII Death Toll is 62,171,400 to 78,511,500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...s#Total_Deaths

So, while not all the deaths can be directly attributed to Hitler and the Nazis, maybe it is safe to say the majority of them would not have occurred without them?


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I could be wrong though... Some are claiming upwards of 61 Million deaths accountable to Stalin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_ki..._have_occurred

"The published results vary depending on the time when the estimate was made, on the criteria and methods used for the estimates, and sources available for estimates. Some historians attempt to make separate estimates for different periods of the Soviet history, with casualties for the
Stalinist Stalinist
period varying from 8 to 61 million"

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Old September 12th, 2011, 02:45 AM   #9

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For me Stalin and the other commies are the worst as they essentially tried to destroy nations. Tartars, Greeks, Sogdians, Chechens, Ingush, Poles. The list goes on and on.
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Karl Marx was a crack-pot. The man lived off the money of Frederich Engels. He was a lazy drunk, yet somehow he managed to shape the last 150 years of world history, destroying nations with his idiotic ideals...

What an excellent man. Let us contribute the millions of deaths throughout the world suffered at the hands of communist-related policies and wars to this, one Kar Marx. I do in fact like this idea
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