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Old December 25th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #1
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Countries/states that have completely changed place


Almost all countries and states have experienced border changes, but which ones have done so to such an extent that they are left with none of their original territory at all? The classic example is the Roman state, which began as a city on the Tiber and ended up as a city on the Bosporus. Are there any others? Do any exist today?
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Taiwan? Maybe sort of.
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Taiwan? Maybe sort of.
Yes I considered that one, insofar as the Republic of China didn't originally control Taiwan, but is now confined to it. However, the Republic of China had a continuity from the Chinese Empire, which did previously control Taiwan. A good example though.
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The Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz

Kicked out of Hejaz, now its Jordan.

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The Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz

Kicked out of Hejaz, now its Jordan.

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Interesting, thanks. Was it an actual state though, that once controlled both its original territory and Jordan in a genuine continuity, or simply the transfer of a dynasty from one place to another?
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Interesting, thanks. Was it an actual state though, that once controlled both its original territory and Jordan in a genuine continuity, or simply the transfer of a dynasty from one place to another?
Hejaz was a Hashemite Kingdom. The ruling family were the Hashemites (they have a very long history in the region, from the Pre-Islamic era!). They were expelled from Hejaz by the Saudis. The Hashemites setup monarchies in Jordan and Iraq.

The Iraqi one was infamously overthrown in a coup that turned Iraq into a republic. The Jordanian one remains till the present day. Even the formal name of Jordan is the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
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Hejaz was a Hashemite Kingdom. The ruling family were the Hashemites (they have a very long history in the region, from the Pre-Islamic era!). They were expelled from Hejaz by the Saudis. The Hashemites setup monarchies in Jordan and Iraq.

The Iraqi one was infamously overthrown in a coup that turned Iraq into a republic. The Jordanian one remains till the present day. Even the formal name of Jordan is the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
Not an actual state then, just members of a dynasty setting themselves up (or being set up) somewhere else.
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Not an actual state then, just members of a dynasty setting themselves up (or being set up) somewhere else.

It was briefly independent (for less than a decade), between the great Arab revolt and the expulsion from Hejaz (
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Ghana Empire and modern Ghana, no territory shared between the two. Core of ancient Macedonia was also outside the territory of modern Republic of Macedonia. But then in these cases the historical continouty can be also debated. And prolly we can also add some former migratory peoples (Turks, Bulgars, Magyars) who had previous semi nomadic "states" on the steppe?
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Ghana Empire and modern Ghana, no territory shared between the two. Core of ancient Macedonia was also outside the territory of modern Republic of Macedonia. But then in these cases the historical continouty can be also debated. And prolly we can also add some former migratory peoples (Turks, Bulgars, Magyars) who had previous semi nomadic "states" on the steppe?
I think, as you say, there is no continuity between the Ghana Empire and the modern state of that name, and even less between ancient Macedon and modern Macedonia.

Talking of Macedon though reminds me of the Seleucid Empire. This originally included Persia, and only later took control of Syria. Later on, it was confined to Syria alone. One could argue, however, that the Seleucid Empire was just Alexander's Empire, which did control Syria.
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