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January 21st, 2012, 09:08 AM
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#1 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,536 | Universities and political orientation
Thinking in a historical perspective, during the Cold War, how do you evaluate, generally in Western societies, the influence of political movements on the environment of the universities?
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January 21st, 2012, 11:12 AM
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#2 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,077 |
Universities were always the nests of the left. Specialy before the fall of the USSR.
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January 21st, 2012, 01:31 PM
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#3 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,536 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Guaporense Universities were always the nests of the left. Specialy before the fall of the USSR. | That's also my perception here in Italy. In 70's and 80's, the "political degree" was not rare: it was the case when a student got a degree, and with acceptable results [may be not excellent] not because of merit, but because of political orientation.
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January 22nd, 2012, 07:52 AM
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#4 | | Lecturer
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 350 |
I remember a certain romanticised view of the Paris Commune of 1871 . Certain elements wished to build barraciades in the streets in the U.S. of A. A small, decent university where the idea of " revolution " was not received well .
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January 22nd, 2012, 08:03 AM
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#5 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,536 |
The basic trouble is that during the Cold War, the "political education" of the young generations was considered essential by politicians [of any side, I would say], at least in European continent.
So that human sciences like history knew a period of political influence which left visible signs.
A curious "son" of that period, which suggests me the argument for a different thread, is the conception that history is better when it's "politically correct".
History is history.
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January 22nd, 2012, 08:33 AM
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#6 | | Persicus Maximus
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Bahrain Posts: 9,962 | Though I don't want to derail the thread, I have my own question.
Why is it that some laws (such as in Greece, or in Pre-Revolutionary Cuba) prohibit the armed forces/police from entering universities ?
I know that Cuban gangs took advantage of this. | | |
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January 22nd, 2012, 09:52 PM
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#7 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,536 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohammed the Persian Though I don't want to derail the thread, I have my own question.
Why is it that some laws (such as in Greece, or in Pre-Revolutionary Cuba) prohibit the armed forces/police from entering universities ?
I know that Cuban gangs took advantage of this. | The question is interesting and I wasn't aware of this. I will check if I can find more information regarding the reason behind those laws.
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January 23rd, 2012, 02:34 AM
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#8 | | Archivist
Joined: Oct 2010 From: Amsterdam, EU Posts: 129 |
it may be due to the old privileges of universities which in Europe basically meant that they were self-standing institutions, a bit like cities once were. Besides, the buildings are also privately owned so the police cannot barge in.
In France, the Sorbonne has managed to keep this rule alive and neither the German police during the WWII nor the French police in 1968 were allowed entry.
Besides, I guess there is also an element of guaranty for the freedom of research which needs to be safe from direct state intervention (in theory).
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January 23rd, 2012, 03:38 AM
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#9 | | ou solitaire
Joined: Aug 2009 From: Athens, Greece Posts: 3,745 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohammed the Persian Though I don't want to derail the thread, I have my own question.
Why is it that some laws (such as in Greece, or in Pre-Revolutionary Cuba) prohibit the armed forces/police from entering universities ?
I know that Cuban gangs took advantage of this. | Regarding Greece, the law granting the Athens' Polytechnic its 'asylum' was a tribute to honour the Polytechnic uprising against the junta regime in 1973. Athens Polytechnic Uprising 17 November 1973 - Athens Info Guide Polytechnic uprising 17 November 1973
This is a child at the annual celebrations in Polytechneio, in front of the statue commemorating the killed students. Lovely, isn't she?
PS: The Polytechnic 'asylum' was abolished a few months ago, ending a decades old tradition. Another victim of the financial crisis and the political changes it brought about. Athens Polytechnic comes to UC Davis — Crooked Timber | | |
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January 23rd, 2012, 03:51 AM
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#10 | | Persicus Maximus
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Bahrain Posts: 9,962 | ^ It's pretty sad that it came to an end. It was a fitting tribute  | | |
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