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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #1
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Mongol blood in Russians


Volk Han
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Vassily Jirov (Mongol father and Russian mother)
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Roman Zentozov
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Batu Khaskov
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Semyon Budyonny in Mongolian dress
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Lenin - Mongol,Russian and Jewish blood
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the Mongol Tsar of Russia, Boris Godunov
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Ivan the Terrible,his mother Elena Glinskaya is a descendant of Mongol Mamai Khan
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Peter the Great
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Mikhail Kutuzov,the Russian general who defeated Napoleon.Mongol-Tatar blood
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Ivan Pavlov
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Ivan Turgenev
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Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"


Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

SCIENTISTS researching cures for alcoholism and hangovers say that they have found a genetic link between Russians’ traditional weakness for drink and the marauding Mongol armies.

As many as 50 per cent of Muscovites are estimated to have inherited Mongol genes that make them absorb more alcohol into the bloodstream and break it down at a slower rate than most Europeans, they say.

That means that they get more drunk and have worse hangovers, and are more likely to become addicted to alcohol, given Russia’s taste for vodka, its harsh climate and the social and economic chaos after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

“The difference is huge — in reaction speed, memory, hand tremor — and in how they recover,” Vladimir Nuzhny, of the Health Ministry’s National Narcology Research Centre, said. “On average, 50 per cent of people in Moscow have this Mongoloid gene. So this, we think, is part of the problem.”

As part of the study, the scientists paid 12 volunteer students to drink 350 grams, about a third of a bottle, of vodka in an hour, and then monitored their behaviour.

“That’s a lot by Western standards, but it’s normal for Russia,” Dr Nuzhny told The Times. “At first they thought it was great, because they were being paid to drink, but after a while they realised it was more like work.”

The intoxicated students had to perform a series of tests, including answering questionnaires and playing rally-driving computer games, and they were breathalysed at regular intervals. The scientists even measured their ability to stand up straight.

After sleeping off the effects in a dormitory at the laboratory — which had a karaoke machine — the students were given a slap-up breakfast before doing more tests to measure their hangovers. The study showed that those with the Mongol genes absorbed 50 per cent more alcohol into the bloodstream at peak levels and metabolised it much more slowly than the other students.

“The way they get drunk is completely different. They are also more likely to feel aggressive or depressed,” Dr Nuzhny said. “They do not necessarily look Mongolian, but the gene that governs how they metabolise alcohol is Mongoloid.”

The Mongols swept across Asia and Russia and into Europe in the 13th century and ruled Russia for two centuries. Inter-marriage with the Slavs and other ethnic groups was common.

Scientists have long known that people of Mongol extraction, including Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, have an enzyme for metabolising alcohol that is different from that of Caucasian Europeans.

Dr Nuzhny claims that his study is the first to look at the effect of alcohol on Russians who have inherited Mongol genes. He says that the phenomenon can be explained partly by evolution. The nomadic Mongols, whose only indigenous form of alcohol was fermented mare’s milk, evolved with a different enzyme from the settled Europeans, with their long tradition of producing stronger grape and grain-based alcohol.

Dr Nuzhny’s research is partly funded by pharmaceutical companies trying to develop drugs to cure hangovers and alcoholism.

Russians drink about 15 litres of pure alcohol a head each year, one of the highest rates in the world, and by some estimates one in seven Russians are alcoholics. Alcohol is largely to blame for a fall in life expectancy to less than 59 since the fall of the Soviet Union.
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Click the image to open in full size.Similarities between the Mongol Empire and Communist Russia


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Articles general
  • Communism Communism
    - Wikipedia
  • Mongol_empire Mongol_empire
    - "The Mongol Empire was a massive empire during the 13th and 14th centuries... It is commonly referred to as the largest contiguous empire in the history of the world." - Wikipidia
  • Mongol_invasions_of_Korea Mongol_invasions_of_Korea
    - [After multiple Mongol invasions of Korea from 1231 to 1270, Korea was a tributary state for about 80 years] - Wikipedia
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  • After the Soviet Union, Mongolia became the 2nd communist country in the world in 1924
  • About 0.5 percent of the global population -- are descendants of GENGHIS KHAN (read) - Many more are descendants of Mongol soldiers, who now are ancestors of many people in countries that became communist.
  • 1os of millions have been killed in genocides caused by communist rule and also by conquests by the Mongol Empire.
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  • Genghis Khan and the Communists - "The Mongolian past has been drawn by both sides into twentieth-century disputes between Russia and China" - "Not only did the Mongols tear Russia away from Europe; but by doing so they prevented her from sharing the stimulating experience of the Renaissance and the scientific revolution." - History Today - See also
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the Mongolian leader Genghis Khan in 13th century
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Moscow and Kremlin was foundered by the Mongols between 13th -15th century (pictures captured from the Japanese history documentary "Great Mongols".)
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the word "Kremlin" originated from a Mongolian word "Krem" which means "base".
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the Russian royalty had 1/3 Mongol blood after the 2 and half centuries Mongols rule
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a Mongol (i don't know how to translate this name) became the Russian tsar
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the word "Ukraine" came from a Mongolian word which means "border".
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You know that Russia is home to ~180 nationalities and ethnicities, do you?
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It would be helpfull if you could come up with a broad point rather than just a mountain of copy-pasting.
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I have no doubt that the Mongols influenced Russian culture, that is quite evident. My wife has many Asian/Mongol features as well as European. Her family has lived in the area north of Kiev since day one as far as she knows.

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Scientists have long known that people of Mongol extraction, including Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, have an enzyme for metabolising alcohol that is different from that of Caucasian Europeans.

Dr Nuzhny claims that his study is the first to look at the effect of alcohol on Russians who have inherited Mongol genes. He says that the phenomenon can be explained partly by evolution. The nomadic Mongols, whose only indigenous form of alcohol was fermented mare’s milk, evolved with a different enzyme from the settled Europeans, with their long tradition of producing stronger grape and grain-based alcohol.
There may be some thread of truth behind this. American Indians are descendants of Siberian/Asian peoples having migrated across the land bridge as long as 20,000 years ago. American Indians have a very low tolerance for alcohol, it is/was their greatest weakness. Europeans developed more of a tolerance over the centuries mainly from necessity. Alcoholic beverages were safer to drink than what was in the local water supply.

Just a side note too. I grew up in the Rocky mountains of Montana and Wyoming. I drank from streams coming off those mountains my whole childhood and never once regretted it. My wife simply refuses to even consider drinking anything out of a stream. It seems that avoiding doing so is in her genes.
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No. First of all it is "Ukrajina" not "Ukraine" (Ukrainians does not speak English mind you). "Krajina" means "land" in Slavic (all Slavic languages including those who newer encountered Mongols). U-krajina means land on the side (approximately).

I guess lot of your other claims are as wrong as this one.
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no. First of all it is "ukrajina" not "ukraine" (ukrainians does not speak english mind you). "krajina" means "land" in slavic (all slavic languages including those who newer encountered mongols). U-krajina means land on the side (approximately).

I guess lot of your other claims are as wrong as this one.

mmm,cos i've watched a documentry which made by "nhk japan",it says that the word "ukrain" was originated from mongolian language.
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No. First of all it is "Ukrajina" not "Ukraine" (Ukrainians does not speak English mind you). "Krajina" means "land" in Slavic (all Slavic languages including those who newer encountered Mongols). U-krajina means land on the side (approximately).

I guess lot of your other claims are as wrong as this one.
Doesn't the word also mean "frontier" in Russian? I recall reading that once in a National Geographic Magazine, though I was never sure if it was actually true.

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Lionmaster, what a crap do you post here?

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Volk Han
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He is an Avar and has as much Mongolian blood as Zulu man

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Vassily Jirov (Mongol father and Russian mother)
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He is a Kazakh.

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Roman Zentozov
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As far as I know this guy is a member of some Slavic organization.
I bet he would kill you if called him a Mongol.

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Batu Khaskov
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Kalmyk

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Semyon Budyonny in Mongolian dress
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I've seen Obama on APEC summit in Chinese dress. Is he a Chinese?
Mongolia was a second Socialistic State in the world after the USSR. Red Army crushed Japan Army and protected Mongolia.

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Lenin - Mongol,Russian and Jewish blood
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Lenin had a Kalmyk grandmother.

And the rest stuff is of same quality

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