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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:15 AM   #1

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Who was the cruelest man in history?


While recently reading about Vlad Tepez "the impaler" on wikipedia i came across some crazy stuff on his outrageous acts of cruelty.

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Accounts of atrocities made by Vlad include impaling, torturing, burning, skinning, roasting, and boiling people, feeding people human flesh (their friends or relatives), cutting off limbs, drowning, and nailing of hats to the heads of people. His victims included men and women of all ages, religions and social classes, children and babies.
Impalement was Ţepeş's preferred method of torture and execution. His method of torture was a horse attached to each of the victim's legs as a sharpened stake was gradually forced into the body. The end of the stake was usually oiled, and care was taken that the stake not be too sharp; else the victim might die too rapidly from shock. Normally the stake was inserted into the body through the anus and was often forced through the body until it emerged from the mouth. However, there were many instances where victims were impaled through other bodily orifices or through the abdomen or chest. Infants were sometimes impaled on the stake forced through their mother's chests. The records indicate that victims were sometimes impaled so that they hung upside down on the stake.
in 1459, he had 30,000 of the German settlers (Saxons) and officials of the Transylvanian city of Kronstadt who were transgressing his authority impaled. Sultan Mehmed II in the spring of 1462 headed towards Wallachia. Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror was greeted by the sight of a veritable forest of stakes on which Vlad the Impaler had impaled 20,000 Turkish prisoners
can any of you guys come up with examples of cruelty to match this in history?
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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #2
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Cruelest PERSON-How about Katie Roe-she told me when she dumped me in 1992 that "it's not you, it's me." I think she matches Vlad.
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Well, I'll cast a vote for Pol Pot. Under his regime as Prime Minister of Kampuchea (Cambodia) during the relatively brief period of 1975 through 1979, the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot was thought to have resulted in the deaths of more than 1.6 million people (at least a quarter of the population). Anyone with a Western education, anyone branded an "intellectual", anyone with any real formal education of any type, anyone with ties to Westerners in business or politics, anyone who was ethnically not Cambodian (such as Laotian, Vietnamese, or Chinese), and even people who were disabled in any way were prime targets for imprisonment, torture, and execution. Although most were simply executed, many of those imprisoned were tortured before they were killed - some by being skinned alive, some by exposure, some by near drowning, some by having fingernails and toenails torn out. Forced rationing of food (not because of lack of supply but because of twisted Maoist "working class" ideology) led to widespread starvation in the country. Pol Pot believed that he could build a "purified" communist agrarian utopia, but to do so would require the labor of fewer than 2 million working class people. Everyone else - men, women, and children - were expendable. Literally hundreds of thousands of these "extra" people were herded out into fields to dig their own mass graves. They were then bludgeoned to death by soldiers using pipes, bars, clubs, and farm implements - so as not to waste bullets - and covered over by the thousands. These areas became known as "The Killing Fields." Even those people who were still considered somewhat useful were ordered stripped of their ethnicities, languages, dialects, and customs. People were forcibly removed from cities, town, and villages, many of which were simply wiped off the map. Any political dissent (whether real, fabricated, or imagined) was met with torture and execution.

Pol Pot was deposed when Vietnam invaded and defeated Cambodia, but Pol Pot escaped into the jungle and was never captured. In one of those bitterly ironic quirks of history, this mass murdering psychopath actually died peacefully in his sleep in 1998 at the ripe old age of 72.
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Cruelest PERSON-How about Katie Roe-she told me when she dumped me in 1992 that "it's not you, it's me." I think she matches Vlad.
your suffering is so great it can only be ended by the welcome relief of death
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Cruelest PERSON-How about Katie Roe-she told me when she dumped me in 1992 that "it's not you, it's me." I think she matches Vlad.
I think I knew her only she was using a different name at the time.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #6

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The slightly pedantic amateur historian part of me cries out: 'cruelest; most evil; greatest ...' so many things wrong with this statement. Cruelty needs to be qualified and quantified; it's dangerously subjective.

On the other hand, I have no problem agreeing with Bucephalus. Pol Pot was almost certainly the cruelest man on Earth. (Bucephalus, nice account!)
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Old July 15th, 2008, 12:39 PM   #7

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How do you define 'MOST cruel or evil'? Thereīs so many evidences pointing on people, doing something completely unacceptable and evil for some, but in their own viewpoint, something they might have fought were their 'call'.

Pol Pot - Trying to 'clean' up his country, as he might have said it. He did it for what seemed only fair to him, to get a new 'race' of cambodians.

Far the most 'cruel' persons in history, did it for what they believed in.
We have more and more accepted GULag-camps, only because back then, Soviet Union were a part of the 'Allies', and since the Western couldnīt do much about it.

- So please redefine the question, or is it simple a point of view?
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Pol Pot - Trying to 'clean' up his country, as he might have said it. He did it for what seemed only fair to him, to get a new 'race' of cambodians.

Far the most 'cruel' persons in history, did it for what they believed in.
We have more and more accepted GULag-camps, only because back then, Soviet Union were a part of the 'Allies', and since the Western couldnīt do much about it.
Hmmm... Pol Pot - one of history's most misunderstood clean freaks...
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The slightly pedantic amateur historian part of me cries out: 'cruelest; most evil; greatest ...' so many things wrong with this statement. Cruelty needs to be qualified and quantified; it's dangerously subjective.
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So please redefine the question, or is it simple a point of view?
jeez guys i'll have to get some lawyers to check my posts in future lol
out of the ordinary cruelty, torture, mental and physical suffering inflicted, anything goes feel free.

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Old July 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM   #10

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Hmmm... Pol Pot - one of history's most misunderstood clean freaks...
You know, they are allowed here too

Well, to Galteeman - Well, you know, a specified question is always easier to answer
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