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March 29th, 2012, 01:58 PM
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#11 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,105 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongo  John Locke and Adam Smith. Their enlightenment philosophies were the political and economic foundations of this country. | George III also perhaps a reasonably candidate?
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March 29th, 2012, 02:25 PM
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#12 | | bloody
Joined: Apr 2011 From: Sarmatia Posts: 3,718 | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroenrottgering My own surname however is centuries and centuries old and descents from Prussian Junkers. So my ancestors didn't have to apply for a surname  . | Is that one of those germanised slavic names so popular in Prussia?
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March 29th, 2012, 02:26 PM
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#13 | | OBLIVIOUS
Joined: Dec 2011 From: Ohio Posts: 5,396 | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroenrottgering George III also perhaps a reasonably candidate? | Well I understand the sentiment, but I would say no, at least in my opinion. At some point in time the colonies were going to separate from the Mother Country. It was just inevitable. George III played a part in determining when and how that happened, but I think the much greater role in this country's history was played by the people who helped determine what this country would become after the separation.
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March 29th, 2012, 02:33 PM
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#14 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,105 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosquito Is that one of those germanised slavic names so popular in Prussia? | No, it's a very rare name and Junkers were some sort of nobility or landowners.
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March 29th, 2012, 02:35 PM
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#15 | | bloody
Joined: Apr 2011 From: Sarmatia Posts: 3,718 |
king Vladislav IV Jagiello - Lithuanian, his marriage with our Hungarian princess made us and Lithuanians one state and nation for about 400 years.
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March 29th, 2012, 02:40 PM
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#16 | | bloody
Joined: Apr 2011 From: Sarmatia Posts: 3,718 | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroenrottgering No, it's a very rare name and Junkers were some sort of nobility or landowners. | Yes I know it, many of them were coming from Polish knights who settled in Prussia under rules of Teutonic Knights or come from pomeranians who were also slavic and thats why those names of Prussian junkers sound often strange in German ears. Also some of those Junkers changed surnames from Polish to German like for example german fieldmarshal Erich von Manstein (real name von Lewinski and originally Polish coat of arms) or another example Erich von dem Bach (real surname von Zelewski) SS obergruppenfuhrer (general).
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March 29th, 2012, 02:46 PM
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#17 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,105 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosquito Yes I know it, many of them were coming from Polish knights who settled in Prussia under rules of Teutonic Knights or come from pomeranians who were also slavic and thats why those names of Prussian junkers sound often strange in German ears. Also some of those Junkers changed surnames from Polish to German like for example german fieldmarshal Erich von Manstein (real name von Lewinski and originally Polish coat of arms) or another example Erich von dem Bach (real surname von Zelewski) SS obergruppenfuhrer (general). | Well my ancestors always lived very west/central in Germany and came to Holland around 1800, so perhaps they weren't the original Junkers that came from eastern Europe, but perhaps they were made Junkers later. A bit like the Noblesse de Robe.
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March 29th, 2012, 04:00 PM
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#18 | | Epicurean
Joined: Mar 2009 From: Texas Posts: 24,311 | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroenrottgering The OP is self explanatory. | Influence in both a negative and positive point:
Francis Bacon, philosophe
John Locke, philosophe
Isaac Newton, philosophe
Hitler, obvious reasons
Stalin, obvious reasons
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March 29th, 2012, 10:25 PM
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#19 | | Academician
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 66 | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroenrottgering Caesar certainly, but I wonder why Marie? For her contribution in the cause of the French Revolution? | yes sure !
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March 29th, 2012, 10:36 PM
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#20 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,536 | Quote:
Originally Posted by M.E.T.H.O.D. Nice thread! 
These are the first that came to my mind:
Napoleon:the Tricolore(Italian flag) was used for the first time by the Transpadane Republic
Napoleon III: he greatly helped the Kingdom of Sardinia during the Second War of Italian Independence.
Charles V:with him started the long period of foreign domination
Charlemagne: his victory against the Lombards, that linked the "destiny" of the Peninsula to "Germany" had several ripecussions in Medieval history.
Giuseppe Garibaldi: no need to explain! | Good list.
Well, thinking to someone to add, I could mention Marx and Lenin, overall because of the enormous importance of the socialist movements and parties in the recent history of the Kingdom / Republic. It's a matter of fact that without socialists the resistance against the Nazi occupation in Northern - Central Italy would have been well less effective and diffused.
If I think to that period I can also add:
Churchill
Roosevelt
Stalin
Who actually at Yalta decided the future of Italy [as territory].
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