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May 3rd, 2012, 10:02 PM
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#1 | | Lecturer
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 293 | On Shamanism
Some civilizations have shamanic rituals, others don't practice shamanism. Why did most modern countries stop the practice of Shamanism?
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May 4th, 2012, 02:48 AM
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#2 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2011 From: South of the barcodes Posts: 3,261 |
Efficiency. Why waste your day praying to thousands of different gods when you can pray to one god and spend the time spared shopping for soft furnishings instead!
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May 4th, 2012, 09:26 AM
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#3 | | Historian
Joined: Jun 2011 From: The Forest Posts: 1,252 |
Most countries accepted Christianity and Islam, where contacting spirits or mediumship, is strictly forbidden, and can come with some dangerous consequences.
Besides, shamans had to be selected for their position based on supposed inherent qualities the person had possessed. They often use hallucinogenic drugs to initiate their experiences, to try and attempt to contact the spirit world. Not everyone could be a shaman in the cultures that practiced it.
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May 4th, 2012, 10:33 AM
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#4 | | Idiot of the year 2011
Joined: Mar 2008 From: Damned England Posts: 6,309 |
It depends how you define shamanism. Praying to saints could be seen as shamanism | | |
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May 4th, 2012, 11:37 AM
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#5 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2011 From: South of the barcodes Posts: 3,261 |
As a personnal view i tend to see it as the advance of cultures.
If your a low development culture at the mercy of the animals, weather, disease, more animals and so on and your helpless to change that i can see why those individual things seem to have power over you.
As civilisations develop and they begin to be technological people begin to see themselves not at the mercy of nature but as controlling and shaping it. Animal and nature spirits stop being scary things to be placated but tools to be used and you need a higher source to explain the things in life that are doing their best to kill you!
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May 4th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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#6 | | Historian ¤ Member of the Year ¤
Joined: Sep 2011 From: UK Posts: 14,612 |
It's cultural that's all.
How is shamanism any different than any other religious ritual, when we get to the core of it?
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May 4th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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#7 | | This title is too lo
Joined: Apr 2010 From: T'Republic of Yorkshire Posts: 16,063 |
What exactly do we mean by "shamanism" here?
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May 4th, 2012, 12:01 PM
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#8 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,353 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Dog It depends how you define shamanism. Praying to saints could be seen as shamanism  | Actually the Brazilian "Santeria", a particular [absolutely respectable, don't get me wrong because I'm Protestant] evolution of Catholic local tradition in which the Saints acquire an importance and some "skills" which were peculiar of the "entities" of ancient animism.
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May 4th, 2012, 12:05 PM
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#9 | | This title is too lo
Joined: Apr 2010 From: T'Republic of Yorkshire Posts: 16,063 |
It's a bit like Pokemon. You pick the most appropriate one for the situation.
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May 4th, 2012, 12:09 PM
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#10 | | Historian
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 5,353 |
A part this modern detail, I would carry the persons interested in the argument to the very ancient past, noting that in the drawings from the prehistory, visible in caves from Europe to South Africa, there are figures which are a mix of human and animal aspect.
In my opinion [questionable and to be criticized as usual] these figures [defined "theriomorphic"] represent the oldest example of animist perception of nature.
The suggestion of some scholars is that similar oneiric, dreamy, images would be the fruit of the usage of substances with drug effect [from vegetables or mushrooms].
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