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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #71

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I am sure that your decision is completely unbiased my dear viperlord.

I'd like to nominate Moltke the elder, a tactical genius that deserves far more credit.

And I always had a weak spot for Brusilov, an innovator and brilliant commander who did huge things with few means.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #72

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I am sure that your decision is completely unbiased my dear viperlord.

I'd like to nominate Moltke the elder, a tactical genius that deserves far more credit.

And I always had a weak spot for Brusilov, an innovator and brilliant commander who did huge things with few means.
I suspect you meant to reply to something in the other top generals thread, as I haven't posted here in quite some time.
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i've been trying to compile a list of top ten generals, and i decided i might as well use your help. please take in mind everything, not just tactics, not just strategy, but everything, tactics, strategy, who they were fighting, innovation, and, what what the did for their country. (for example, genghis khan might be up on the list because he turned a bunch of tribes into an empire.)
What's the criteria for "top"

Battles won %

Square mileage conquered

Casualties inflicted
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What's the criteria for "top"

Battles won %

Square mileage conquered

Casualties inflicted
the general's in question may not have won a single battle, is what is important is their ability.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 04:42 AM   #75

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I wonder if anyone would accept Ghandi as a military commander? He led fellow citizens in non-violent protest to win independence for India. Talk about 'thiinking outside the box'....

I realize he was more of a politician than what one normally thinks as military commanders, but is not 'War is the extension of Politics to its violent extremes'? So wrote Clauswitz in On War.
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I wonder if anyone would accept Ghandi as a military commander? He led fellow citizens in non-violent protest to win independence for India. Talk about 'thiinking outside the box'....

I realize he was more of a politician than what one normally thinks as military commanders, but is not 'War is the extension of Politics to its violent extremes'? So wrote Clauswitz in On War.
A very good post. You have a great point. However, i'm not sure I would call him a military leader.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:09 AM   #77

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As a general Napoleon has to be in the top ten, especially for military and civil innovation. His political career is a different matter.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:34 AM   #78

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For me the Duke of Marlborough is a contender, tactically, operationally, strategically, very few commanders who were not also national leaders can compare with him. Sadly his impact on warfare is much less than it could have been due to the short sighted, cautious, timidity of his allies.
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i've been trying to compile a list of top ten generals, and i decided i might as well use your help. please take in mind everything, not just tactics, not just strategy, but everything, tactics, strategy, who they were fighting, innovation, and, what what the did for their country. (for example, genghis khan might be up on the list because he turned a bunch of tribes into an empire.)
None.

What you are asking for is as Utopian in military terms as Plato's Republic was in political terms.

Temüjin had indeed several outstanding military abilities, but his management of the conquered populations (another critical ability) simply did stink.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:55 AM   #80

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For me the Duke of Marlborough is a contender, tactically, operationally, strategically, very few commanders who were not also national leaders can compare with him. Sadly his impact on warfare is much less than it could have been due to the short sighted, cautious, timidity of his allies.
Must agree with this. His battle of Ramilies was a nuanced masterpiece. He made subtle movements and changes throughout the battle, that completely baffled his French opponent. Even after his Pyrrhic victory at Malplaquet, he was still able to Capture Mons, which was his strategic objective from the start, Marshal Villars being unable to stop him.


I Have just finished the book "Marlborough's Sieges" and I would state that he was also particularly skilled at siege warfare, having never lost any of his 20+ sieges he was engaged in. I would say though, with the many enemies he was gaining at home (due in no small part to the tactless behaviour of his wife) he ran out of time near the end, and the star fortresses of Vauban achieved what they set out to do, in delaying Marlborough's advances, and taking away from him the one commodity he did not possess; time.

Charles XII was the other outstanding commander of the period, imo.

Some other French commanders I would also mention (other than Villars) are; Duc de Luxemburg and Maurice de Saxe.

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