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Old June 13th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #1
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Pirates of the Caribbean


Why do the Pirates of the Caribbean have a criminalizes voyaging image when they were just pillaging booty that the Conquistadors thieved in South America???


Piracy in the Caribbean resulted from the groups of Europeans, mostly English, Dutch and French, who were marooned or shipwrecked.[citation needed] They were called buccaneers as well, from the French "boucanier" (to smoke meat) on a "boucan" (wooden frame set over a fire.) By setting up smokey fires and boucans with prepared meat of marooned cattle, these castaways could get a ship to draw near for trading, at which time the buccaneers could seize the ship. The buccaneers were later chased off the island by colonial powers and had to seek a life at sea.[citation needed] There they created lucrative but illegitimate opportunities for common seamen to attack European merchant ships (especially Spanish fleets sailing from the Caribbean to Europe) and seize their valuable cargo, a practice that began in the 16th century. Piracy was sometimes given "legal" status by colonial powers, especially France under King Francis I (r.1515–1547), in the hope of weakening the sea trade of their rivals who established a mare clausum policy in the Atlantic and Indian oceans. This "legal" form of piracy is known as privateering. From 1520 to 1560, French privateers were alone in their fight against the Crown of Spain and the vast commerce of the Spanish Empire in the New World. They were later joined by English and Dutch privateers. The following quote by a Welsh pirate shows the motivations for piracy in the 18th century Caribbean:
“ In an honest Service, there is thin Commons, low Wages, and hard Labour; in this, Plenty and Satiety, Pleasure and Ease, Liberty and Power; and who would not balance Creditor on this Side, when all the Hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sower Look or two at choaking. No, a merry Life and a short one shall be my Motto ”
—Pirate Captain Bartholomew Roberts


[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_the_Caribbean]Piracy in the Caribbean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Even Blackbeard was tracked down and killed.

Blackbeard
Main article: Blackbeard
He was born about 1680 in England as Edward Thatch, Teach, or Drummond, and operated off the east coast of North America in the period of 1714–1718. Noted as much for his outlandish appearance as for his piratical success, in combat Blackbeard placed burning slow-match (a type of slow-burning fuse used to set off cannon) under his hat; with his face wreathed in fire and smoke, his victims claimed he resembled a fiendish apparition from Hell. Blackbeard's ship was the two hundred ton, forty-gun frigate he named the Queen Anne's Revenge.
Blackbeard met his end at the hands of a British fleet specifically sent out to capture him. After an extremely bloody boarding action, the British commanding officer of the fleet, Lieutenant Robert Maynard, killed him with the help of his crew. According to legend, Blackbeard suffered a total of five bullet wounds and twenty slashes with a cutlass before he finally died off the coast of Ocracoke, North Carolina.



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Contrary to the latest Hollywood franchise the RN played a capable role in capturing pirates and also had a main role in inventing the art of modern piracy itself as an excuse to pillage the Spanish treasure fleet, Drake is a fairly good example.
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thanx Earl:

I suspect that the movie "Pirates Of The Caribbean" made more money than Blackbeard.

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Contrary to the latest Hollywood franchise the RN played a capable role in capturing pirates and also had a main role in inventing the art of modern piracy itself as an excuse to pillage the Spanish treasure fleet, Drake is a fairly good example.
I thought the King approved of the Pirates because they were cutting trade and booty of from reaching Spain.?? Also, i guess that the King was also letting some pirates take refuge in Jamaica???

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Its important to make the distinction between pirates and privateers, with a bill of mark any mercantile vessel of an enemy is a target for a privateer. Any attack on neutral shipping is an act of piracy. Pirates in the Caribbean, over time were, liable to plunder their own national shipping, if the crew owed any national obligation. Also pirates were great at breaking colonial restrictions on international trade between differing colonies.
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I thought the King approved of the Pirates because they were cutting trade and booty of from reaching Spain.?? Also, i guess that the King was also letting some pirates take refuge in Jamaica???

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I believe Liz 1st gave a letter of marque to Sir Francis Drake which enabled him to attack Spanish ships with impunity, I think a few other pirates did likewise, Captain Kidd may have been one of them, but then he was a bit overzealous and started attacking everyone as well. He also killed one of his own crew by bashing him over the head with a bucket, one has to admire an officer's ingenuity in the golden age of sail.


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thanx Earl:

I suspect that the movie "Pirates Of The Caribbean" made more money than Blackbeard.

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Would you agree that Bartholomew Roberts was the greatest of all the pirates who were not privateers? Did he really capture something like 400 or more ships?

I would not necessarily say he was better than Hawkins or Drake is why I exclude privateers. They actually captured cities as well as ships.
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FWIW, the only way I really got a grasp on European history in the 16th-18th centuries was understanding the new world colonies and the piracy surrounding them.
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Would you agree that Bartholomew Roberts was the greatest of all the pirates who were not privateers? Did he really capture something like 400 or more ships?

I would not necessarily say he was better than Hawkins or Drake is why I exclude privateers. They actually captured cities as well as ships.

Can't really say tbh, my knowledge is a bit scanty for Elizabethan piracy, tho I'm familiar with the basics. I'm more accustomed to 18thC nautical stuff. Trying to get proof for Roberts might also be a bit tricky unless there's evidence from court hearings, pirates probably weren't very good at keeping administrative records for the ships they captured.

The Spanish and French also had some rather good eer, sea faring thugs, and of course there's the notorious pirate women.
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Its important to make the distinction between pirates and privateers, with a bill of mark any mercantile vessel of an enemy is a target for a privateer. Any attack on neutral shipping is an act of piracy. Pirates in the Caribbean, over time were, liable to plunder their own national shipping, if the crew owed any national obligation. Also pirates were great at breaking colonial restrictions on international trade between differing colonies.
Thanx, gary

Interesting, the relations between the Royal and the Pirate. A Bill of Marquee must have been ignored by a Pirate.

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