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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:47 AM   #11

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History is full of obscure names of peoples, once carried with pride or even whispered in fear by their neighbours, that are today largely forgotten. Where are the Medes? The Scythians? The Thracians? Minoans? The Hun?
A group of the Assi (Alani) people with the ethnonym Jász migrated to Hungary and settled there. Today all of them speak Hungarian and that's a fine example of a people outliving their language.

The Alans themselves had entered mainland Europe in great numbers just before the fall of Rome, and although they had settlements in France, Spain, and North Africa they disappeared from history and where lost in much larger and politically stronger Germanic tribes.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:03 AM   #12

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Guanches
Ligurians
Iberians
Jomons
Caribs
Dozens and dozens of indigenous South American and Russian/Siberian people.

In many cases the genes still linger.Very few distinctive ethnic groups were completely eliminated although their culture, language and identity has been.

I know pretty well the Guanche case, since they were probably (part of) my acenstors.

The Guanche people legated some aspects of their existence to present Canarian people:

1. Themselves, in our blood: around 60% of maternal inheritance is Northafrican in origin, while 10% of male inheritance belong to them. This is caused by the process of conquest, by which the invading European males kill, expel or discriminate the Guanche males. European males married and had children with Guanche females. It's a typical process experienced by conquered peoples.

2. Language: there are a few Guanche words that we use daily. They are usually related to livestock and agriculture: baifo (baby goat), beletén (product derivated of cheese making process), gofio (toasted flour), tenique (large stone), goro (circle of rocks) and some more. The vocabulary is far larger in toponomy, plants and animals: more than 800 place names exist in Gran Canaria alone. Tamadaba, Telde (my town), Tenoya, Timagada, Arucas, Artenara, Arguineguín (David Silva birthplace), Agüimes, Guiniguada, Guayadeque...

3. Heritage: as late as 1900, as many as 30% of people of my island lived in caves, nearly all of them originally built by Guanche people or built according with their designs

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This inheritance has been decreasing since the age of the conquest, as time passed, the Canarian people was less and less Guanche, and more European. But still, that African heritage (they were Berbers) remains.

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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:12 AM   #13

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I know pretty well the Guanche case, since they were probably (part of) my acenstors.
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This inheritance has been decreasing since the age of the conquest, as time passed, the Canarian people was less and less Guanche, and more European. But still, that African heritage (they were Berbers) remains.
The dogs must go crazy. Wait! Canaries! Island of Dogs!
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:19 AM   #14

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And they are fiery dogs!

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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #15

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The Bushmen of the Drakensberg mountains (South Africa). Sometime after 1900 they simply disappeared.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:56 PM   #16

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Where are the Medes? The Scythians? The Thracians? Minoans? The Hun?
Assimilated or changed identity. All these cases... However, there are people who really gone extinct for various reasons e.g the Cimmerians (annihilated by the Lydians?). Some we may not know of.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #17

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Some of these peoples didn't really disappear. They just mixed with later conquerors/migrants, or adopted other cultures and languages.

The descendents of the Thracians for example can still be found in the Balkans, and the Gauls (who haven't been mentioned yet) are the modern day French.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #18

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The Bushmen of the Drakensberg mountains (South Africa). Sometime after 1900 they simply disappeared.
Actually, that's a bit of tale for the tourists. There is evidence that the dozen or so Bushmen often seen in the Drakensberg around the turn of the 19th C were already partially absorbed into the Griquas on the other side of Catherdral Peak or they were in fact Griquas who had gone "Bossie". Around Winterberg there are a few people who could, maybe, very well be part Bushman, but lead an ordinary rural existence.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:35 AM   #19

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It's more like folklore or potentially a sensational news story, however Berry Fell is said to have investigated.

In the Cherokee Pheonix, there is a mention of a pygmy race of North Americans. I believe it was Berry Fell who after examining the skulls determined they were not youth, but instead fully grown miniature people.
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The Troglodytes or hole-men mentioned by Herodotus in this quote are a curious people who disappeared if they ever existed:

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The Garamantes hunt the Ethiopian hole-men, or troglodytes, in four-horse chariots, for these troglodytes are exceedingly swift of foot—more so than any people of whom we have any information. They eat snakes and lizards and other reptiles and speak a language like no other, but squeak like bats.

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