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Old November 24th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #81
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I was sort of joking about "Communist propaganda". That is the way they used to talk in the US when I was growing up.

Some people want to try to paper over Stalin's purges and terror.

Seems likely the purge of the military was because Stalin thought the senior officers could carry out a coup at some point and that they were not particularly loyal to him personally.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 12:41 PM   #82

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Maybe a lot of officers would have overthrown Stalin if given the chance, super evil men have that effect on people.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:21 PM   #83
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What about the Holocaust? That was Germany's biggest mistake. Wasting tons of its resources on nonsesical killing, instead of using it to win the war. If Hitler was'nt a Nazi, he could have easily won the war.
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What about the Holocaust? That was Germany's biggest mistake. Wasting tons of its resources on nonsesical killing, instead of using it to win the war. If Hitler was'nt a Nazi, he could have easily won the war.
The Holocaust didn't effect the war effort, except in chasing away Jewish nuclear scientists. Doubt much resources were put into it. The purges probably didn't effect the Soviet war effort that much either.

The whole arrogant attitude of the Axis powers and the Nazis believing they were the master race probably is why they lost. They wound up fighting Britain, Russia, the US, and China. They countries had there weaknesses but they were large and had long experience in running empires, which the Axis countries did not have.
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The Holocaust didn't effect the war effort, except in chasing away Jewish nuclear scientists. Doubt much resources were put into it. The purges probably didn't effect the Soviet war effort that much either.

The whole arrogant attitude of the Axis powers and the Nazis believing they were the master race probably is why they lost. They wound up fighting Britain, Russia, the US, and China. They countries had there weaknesses but they were large and had long experience in running empires, which the Axis countries did not have.
Not to mention the fact that when The Wehrmacht troops liberated Ukraine from Soviet control, many of the local populace viewed Germany in favorable eyes. But Hitlers master-race ideology got in his way of thinking and he ended up losing potential allies in the Ukraine. His troops massacred thousands of Ukrianians and put others into slave labor. That would be another of Hitler's big mistakes.
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Whatever, thought it was generally accepted in the west and in the former Soviet Union that most of the senior officers in the Soviet Union were executed on trumped up charges.
Well,there was a time when it was generally accepted in the west that the sun revolves around the earth, now we know that it is exactly the opposite.

There are case papers of the trail, it's a document,but no one have ever seen reabilitation documents.Antistalinists simply declared plotters innocent.Today in Russia a few people have doubts in the reality of the plot in the Red Army.
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Well,there was a time when it was generally accepted in the west that the sun revolves around the earth, now we know that it is exactly the opposite.

There are case papers of the trail, it's a document,but no one have ever seen reabilitation documents.Antistalinists simply declared plotters innocent.Today in Russia a few people have doubts in the reality of the plot in the Red Army.
Given the high numbers involved, its hard to imagine they could all have been properly investigated, let alone properly tried.
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Not to mention the fact that when The Wehrmacht troops liberated Ukraine from Soviet control, many of the local populace viewed Germany in favorable eyes. But Hitlers master-race ideology got in his way of thinking and he ended up losing potential allies in the Ukraine. His troops massacred thousands of Ukrianians and put others into slave labor. That would be another of Hitler's big mistakes.
This is a myth. "Many" Ukranians did not greet the Germans as "liberators"- this is mostly from the West Ukranian territory of Galicia. Most Ukranians, like most other Soviet nationalities, remained loyal to Soviet power.
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This is a myth. "Many" Ukranians did not greet the Germans as "liberators"- this is mostly from the West Ukranian territory of Galicia. Most Ukranians, like most other Soviet nationalities, remained loyal to Soviet power.
Could you please support that with some cited evidence? I', not saying your wrong, but from what I have read on the matter, I would disagree with you until further information can be provided to alter my perspective.
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