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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #11

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We kill those chickens to eat them. We are not exterminating them because they are chickens. Eating other animals lower down the food chain is part of nature.

And no, chickens are not comparable to human beings. When chickens compose sonnets, paint masterpieces and can discourse on the meaning of life, then we start comparing them. Not before.

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. The Nazis cared about animal welfare and animal rights. They cared considerably less for their human beings. Ergo supporting animal rights makes you a Nazi. [/thread]
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #12
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And no, chickens are not comparable to human beings. When chickens compose sonnets, paint masterpieces and can discourse on the meaning of life, then we start comparing them. Not before.
This, on the other hand, is not a valid reasoning, unless you wanna always use it (which I doubt)
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For me its not necessarily the deaths of those creatures which appals me (thought that can be unsettling), but more their treatment while they are alive, in addition to the needless horrible deaths which many of them suffer. From the 'humane' dominant species.
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Ergo supporting animal rights makes you a Nazi.
I can live with that. Most humans don't paint masterpieces, write sonnets or discuss the meaning of life, either.

But no, as much as I like animals and feel very strongly about animal welfare and detest cruelty towards them, and however much I dislike humans, nevertheless, Naomasa is right in that we don't kill animals because they are animals, but the Nazis killed Jews because they were Jewish, although they alleged that Jews were a negative influence on humanity, often comparing them with rats.

They must have believed it, however insane it seems to us.

However, I agree with the OP that we need to face up to how we treat animals. If we invaded another planet and came across a species which kept other species in cages, killed them young and ate them, not to mention the rest of our mistreatment of animals, we'd be shocked.

And, of course, only humanity could think that murdering its own species is glorious.
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Why not?

Because a Human Life= a Chicken is not an equation I recognise.

I do not buy (If I know about it) a factory farmed chicken because I think it cruel -- and non intensively farmed birds taste better.

I buy my eggs from an old lady down the road and see the chickens running around the field as I approach the house.

However I may not approve of the practice but in my view it still doesn't compare to the murder of millions of people.

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Because a Human Life= a Chicken is not an equation I recognise.

I do not buy (If I know about it) a factory farmed chicken because I think it cruel -- and non intensively farmed birds taste better.

I buy my eggs from an old lady down the road and see thechickens running around the field as I approach the house.

However I may not approve of the practice but in my view it still doesn't compare to the murder of millions of people.
Ok. thanks for that 'Kev'. I started this thread because this is one I struggle with myself. Yes, those creatures (not just chickens, remember?) are less evolved than humans. However they do suffer - and don't forget about the sheer scale of this - worldwide, everyday.
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This, on the other hand, is not a valid reasoning, unless you wanna always use it (which I doubt)
It's perfectly valid, and I'll use the same comparison between humans and mice, humans and dogs, humans and cows, humans and dolphins and humans and any other species you care to name.
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It's perfectly valid, and I'll use the same comparison between humans and mice, humans and dogs, humans and cows, humans and dolphins and humans and any other species you care to name.
What about humans and humans?
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It's perfectly valid, and I'll use the same comparison between humans and mice, humans and dogs, humans and cows, humans and dolphins and humans and any other species you care to name.
If the reasoning it's only the creation of art etc you should apply it between different humans too.
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Hey merchant, Namoasa's gone quiet - chicken!






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