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Old December 6th, 2012, 07:07 AM   #41

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Originally Posted by manas teja View Post
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But I now smell an incoming of scores of Greco-Roman legions !

I hear a sound of trumpets !
Don't worry. We have enough elephants to handle them.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #42

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Soviet civilization was the most successful project in human history. In terms of advancement in healthcare, education, industry, no other society has ever come close. The Soviet period created a new faith- a Red religion, with the entire country united in the pursuit of an epic historical destiny. People worked day and night for a better future for their children and for the entire human race.

The adventure led from the illiteracy to literacy, from the NEP to socialism, from archaic agriculture to collective cultivation, from a rural society to a predominately urban community, from general ignorance of the machine to social mastery of modern technology.
Between the poverty stricken year of 1924, when Lenin died, and the relatively abundant year of 1940, the cultivated area of USSR expanded by 74 percent; grain crops increased 11 percent; coal production was multiplied by 10; steel output by 18; engineering and metal industries by 150; total national income by 10; industrial output by 24; annual capital investment by 57. During the First Five-year Plan, 51 billion rubles were invested; during the Second, 114; and during the Third, 192. Factory and office workers grew from 7,300,000 to 30,800,000 and school and college students from 7,900,000 to 36,600,000. Between 1913 and 1940, oil production increased from nine to 35 million tons; coal from 29 to 164; pig iron from 4 to 15; steel from 4 to 18; machine tools from 1000 to 48,000 units, tractors from 0 to over 500,000; harvestor combines from 0 to 153,500; electrical power output from two billion kWh to 50 billion; and the value of industrial output from 11 billion rubles to more than 100 billion by 1938. If the estimated volume of total industrial production in 1913 be taken as 100, the corresponding indices for 1938 are 93.2 for France; 113.3 for England, 120 United States; 131.6 for Germany, and 908.8 for the Soviet Union.

Schuman, Frederick L. Soviet Politics. New York: A.A. Knopf, 1946, p. 212

The Soviets attained under Stalin's rule the first place in the world in regard to tractors, machines, and motor trucks; the second as to electric power. Russia, 20 years ago the least mechanized country, has become the foremost.... In the same decade between 1929 in 1939, in which the production of all other countries barely mounted, while even dropping in some, Soviet production was multiplied by 4. The national income mounted between 1913 in 1938 from 21 to 105 billion rubles. The income of the individual citizen was increased by 370% in the last eight years--with only irrelevant income taxes and reasonable social security contributions imposed upon them--while it dropped almost everywhere else in the world.

Ludwig, Emil, Stalin. New York, New York: G. P. Putnam's sons, 1942, p. 129

When we consider Stalin's facts and figures, it becomes clear that we are witnessing the most concentrated economic advance ever recorded--greater even than those of the Industrial Revolution. Within 10 years a primarily feudal society had been changed into an industrialized one. And for the first time in history such an advance was due not to capitalism but to socialism.

Cameron, Kenneth Neill. Stalin, Man of Contradiction. Toronto: NC Press, c1987, p. 75
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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #43

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Originally Posted by Jinit View Post
Don't worry. We have enough elephants to handle them.
ohh Elephants ??? !
....aah That clumsy overrated beasts ! ?
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Old December 8th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #44

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If measured by the effect it had exclusively on its own practicioners, then Japanese civilization is perhaps the most successful. It could be argued that it was the Japanese culture which has protected Japan from any foreign invasion, apart from the Allied Occupation post-World War II. Furthermore, Japanese culture has a habit of adapting to triumph, examples are the Meiji Modernization and the Japanese economic miracle after World War II. Even when it didn't immediately adapt, during the Edo period, it was thriving.

If measured by the sheer influence on the world I would say the Islamic civilization. No other civilization expanded so fast and rapidly, no Golden Age was as golden as that of Islam. Islamic civilization thoroughly puts Greek civilization, another competitor, to shame.
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Old December 8th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #45

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If measured by the sheer influence on the world I would say the Islamic civilization. No other civilization expanded so fast and rapidly, no Golden Age was as golden as that of Islam. Islamic civilization thoroughly puts Greek civilization, another competitor, to shame.

IMO If one is using the word - Islamic civilization, then the effective counterpart is not greek or roman civilization but Western civilization. and in that case I think it is the western civilization who ultimately put the Islamic civilization to shame.
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Old December 9th, 2012, 04:37 AM   #46

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^From the moment the Western European countries started to colonize the continents of the world, that was the beginning of their end in terms of power play, and the Ottoman Empire needed to be succored by the British and the French, in order for it to deflect the Russian expansion in the Middle Eastern nations.
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Which is the most successful civilization in human history?

Britain, without a doubt.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 01:24 PM   #48

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What makes you think there were Muslim countries of any importance in the late 19th century?
um.... Important to whom? The Muslim world has been a place of importance at any point in history, as far as the historian should be concerned. There's lots of interesting developments both good and bad cross-culturally and internally within the Muslim world in the 19th century - you'll have to look them up of course, but they are there, rest assured.

Anyways, to the OP. I think the terms Western civilization, Islamic civilization, and Chinese civilization are useful in their own way and have lots of connotations for both history and geography, but they aren't something you can easily define without being arbitrary. I guess what I am saying is that these three "civilizations" are in fact just a generalization for many different societies and cultures, who in modernity or otherwise experience varying successes and failures, catastrophe and triumph. So what I am saying is these terms aren't really helpful if we're talking history simply because the world "western civilization" or "Islamic civilization" references too much space and time to even try to think about at once.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #49

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Yes they all are succesfull, but we all know that they crashed, and now there are just dusts and some old scripts that keep them in oure memory...

And it is onely the mather of time when nowaday civilizations WILL FALL...
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Old December 20th, 2012, 02:30 AM   #50
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Well no doubt that from last 300 years, it is totally West. The reason is said "Islamic Civilization" is the most successful is because of the ratio. "Muslims" remained dominant global force (with respect to that time era) for 1100/1400 years!!!! That is 71% of their entire time! On the other hand , in last 2000 years , the West didn't remain on top for more than 50% of the total time period....
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