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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:16 AM   #1
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An Archery Myth Has Been Confirmed: Lars Anderson


Historians used to say that the feat of shooting 3 deadly arrows all in 1.5 seconds is impossible. They were mistaken.


It is true that he used a rather weak bow (35 lbs if I am not mistaken). A war bow woud indeed be heavier (80 to 120 lbs). However, ancient and medieval archers would have more than just 3 years of training, so their speed should definitely be similar to that performed by Lars Anderson.

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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:41 AM   #2
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Very interesting, I've always thought that archers had the edge in ancient warfare, and while I am not an archer I can see that they bring a lot to the battlefield, some of the greatest armies in history relied heavily on archers.

But how many arrows can an archer fire correctly, by that I mean, how much accuracy and effectiveness gets lost as archers tire, how many arrows can an archer trow before he tires and loose that edge on the battlefield?
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Very interesting, I've always thought that archers had the edge in ancient warfare, and while I am not an archer I can see that they bring a lot to the battlefield, some of the greatest armies in history relied heavily on archers.

But how many arrows can an archer fire correctly, by that I mean, how much accuracy and effectiveness gets lost as archers tire, how many arrows can an archer trow before he tires and loose that edge on the battlefield?
Sorry for my late reply, Pelu. It's been a busy week for me.
If you are talking about speed shooting like Lars Anderson, then there would definitely be a limit.
However, I would assume that the limit would be pretty high, since all that is required in this style of shooting is to draw the bow halfway.
A halfway draw would be weaker I admit. But since a mere 35 lb bow can do quite some damage, a half-drawn 100 lb bow might still be very devastating.

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Given how much people in the old days would have trained, they could have been like the Elite Athletes of today.

Would a technique like that, used en-mass have been effective in some relatively recent conflicts? (like the American Civil War for instance).
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Would a technique like that, used en-mass have been effective in some relatively recent conflicts? (like the American Civil War for instance).
I've often speculated about that too, in the Napoleonic Wars for instance ... muskets at about three shots per minute if well-trained and effective at about 100 yards, vs longbows at 15-20 arrows per minute and a reasonable range of what, 200 yards..?
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A correction: It is Lars Andersen. He is Danish, not Swedish.
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Interesting.
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Would a technique like that, used en-mass have been effective in some relatively recent conflicts? (like the American Civil War for instance).
I would have to say definitely. Since most of the Western Soldiers of the 1800s were unarmored, a bow would have been an effective killing machine. Bows were replaced not because they were ineffective at killing, but because it takes a much shorter period of time to train and replace riflemen. Bows take more time to make in comparison to guns and arrows are more expensive than bullets. Please look at Sicknero's post to see how effective longbows were.

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I've often speculated about that too, in the Napoleonic Wars for instance ... muskets at about three shots per minute if well-trained and effective at about 100 yards, vs longbows at 15-20 arrows per minute and a reasonable range of what, 200 yards..?
I would put the range of certain muskets at a bit higher than 100 yards, but you are mostly correct. Using Lars Andersen's style, a person can get more than even 15-20 arrows.

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A correction: It is Lars Andersen. He is Danish, not Swedish.
That's true. Thank you for the correction.

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Very few historical bows actually exceed 60 lb pulls.
Native American bows were generally fired half or 2/3 drawn and pulled around 40 lbs.

A full draw might be used for extreme distance... but keep in mind that flint or obsidian edged arrowheads are like shooting kitchen knives. They rely on extraordinary cutting power to penetrate.


The video seems a solid answer to how ancients achieved the rate of fire that were ascribed to them.
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