Wars and Turmoils caused by Western intervention - Historum

riczepeda · December 6th, 2012, 07:24 PM

I need help compiling a list of conflicts caused by Westerners. ex- the Pakistan and Indian conflict over the Kasmir region. and when i mean westerners i will like to stick to American, UN, EU, European involvement. Thank u guys

**Pacific_Victory** · December 6th, 2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by riczepeda

I need help compiling a list of conflicts caused by Westerners. ex- the Pakistan and Indian conflict over the Kasmir region. and when i mean westerners i will like to stick to American, UN, EU, European involvement. Thank u guys

Well I hardly think its fair to call the UN "Westerners"... but anyhow, are you looking for ONLY conflicts caused by the West? or ones they were involved in?

**Ancientgeezer** · December 7th, 2012, 02:05 AM

Apart from the full-on Western Country Vs. Western Country Wars, e.g. Boer Wars, Balkan Wars, WW1, WW2, Falklands--I am hard-pressed to think of a war in the 20th/21st Century that has been "caused" by Western intervention. Almost every conflict since WW2 that has involved "The West" has seen the latter's involvement as either protectors of one side or the other from aggression or involvement to protect "Western" assets or influence from destruction or seizure. The glaring exception is the 2006 Iraqi war which was cynically planned and executed for the benefit of a handful of private businesses.

funakison · December 7th, 2012, 02:13 AM

As the Ancient One has already noted, the most obvious answer is indeed the 2006 Iraqi war although as Turkey is a member of Nato perhaps we should include the invasion of Cyprus.

**arras** · December 7th, 2012, 02:21 AM

Civil war in Nicaragua comes immediately in to my mind and there are probably more examples from Latin America.

There are also examples in Africa, USA paid Ethiopia to attack Somalia and West is heavily involved in whole mess in Congo -probably the bloodiest conflict of post WWII.

Iran-Iraq war was in a way direct result of US melding in to Iranian affairs and West encouraged and supported Saddam to attack Iran post revolution.

*Giraffe* · December 7th, 2012, 04:38 AM

The 'Big Guys' have always messed with the 'Little Guys' to suit their own agenda. This was going on long before 'The West' became the 'Big Guys', and will no doubt continue long after the influence of 'The West' has disappeared.

And starting a war for personal profit is hardly a new idea either!

**Pacific_Victory** · December 7th, 2012, 12:19 PM

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As the Ancient One has already noted, the most obvious answer is indeed the 2006 Iraqi war although as Turkey is a member of Nato perhaps we should include the invasion of Cyprus.

What is the 2006 Iraq war and how is it different from the 2003 one? Are you discussing the surge as if it were a separate war?

**tjadams** · December 7th, 2012, 01:04 PM

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.... Almost every conflict since WW2 that has involved "The West" has seen the latter's involvement as either protectors of one side or the other from aggression or involvement to protect "Western" assets or influence from destruction or seizure. .

The US has her fingers in every burp and hiccup in the world and constantly meddles
and threatens other foreign nations. All the while, the rest of the "West" sits on the sidelines
and cheers us on to do the dirty work. No wonder so much of the planet mistrust the US. I'd
like to see us stop meddling or threatening and let the rest of the "West" be the
spear point for once. The American people are never consulted if we want to get involved, it
is always the action of a few politicians and yet, we the people always pay the price.

Gudenrath · December 7th, 2012, 01:11 PM

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The US has her fingers in every burp and hiccup in the world and constantly meddles
and threatens other foreign nations. All the while, the rest of the "West" sits on the sidelines
and cheers us on to do the dirty work. No wonder so much of the planet mistrust the US. I'd
like to see us stop meddling or threatening and let the rest of the "West" be the
spear point for once. The American people are never consulted if we want to get involved, it
is always the action of a few politicians and yet, we the people always pay the price.

It is certainly true that the rest of the "West" does sometimes sit on the sidelines and cheer and let the US do all the work, but far from every time this is the case regarding US foreign intervention. There are actually quite a lot of instances where it is all US foreign policy and a lot of the "West" are not particular thrilled that the US is doing whatever "dirty work" it is they are doing. Iraq is a good example.

**tjadams** · December 7th, 2012, 02:08 PM

That is my point Gudenrath.
It seems the US has its nose in every burp on the planet, meddling, when the rest of the West
looks on, either cheering us on, or rolling their collective eyes at our intrusions. It seems every
problem on the planet bothers the US, while the rest of the West might be upset with it, but doesn't
get involved like the US does. Seems we keep manufacturing our own problems and cannot
exist without having an international problem to saddle ourselves with.
Seems attempting to solves problems away from home,distract attentions
from the large problems at home.