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Old December 12th, 2012, 05:36 AM   #21
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One should keep in mind that there is no universal standard for the Romani language. The Roma communities are spread across many different countries and each community comes into contact with a different language than another, leading to significant amounts of regional variation. The Romani language in Macedonia can be quite different from that spoken in Romania, for example.
I understand that Alaric. However, I see nothing wrong in the attempt to create a modern standardized Roma language.
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One should keep in mind that there is no universal standard for the Romani language. The Roma communities are spread across many different countries and each community comes into contact with a different language than another, leading to significant amounts of regional variation. The Romani language in Macedonia can be quite different from that spoken in Romania, for example.
how widely do the Balkan Gypsies speak Romani languages? Here only a small minority of them can speak it and i think its the same in Slovakia, Romania, Czech Republic. They are linguistically mostly assimilated to their host countries.
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how widely do the Balkan Gypsies speak Romani languages? Here only a small minority of them can speak it and i think its the same in Slovakia, Romania, Czech Republic.
They speak their own Romani dialect with heavy influence from Slovak. Probably something half Slovak half Romani (what ever dialect they spoke originally as there are many).
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how widely do the Balkan Gypsies speak Romani languages? Here only a small minority of them can speak it and i think its the same in Slovakia, Romania, Czech Republic. They are linguistically mostly assimilated to their host countries.
During my childhood many of those from the city I live in still spoke only Gypsy between themselves, but now almost all speak Romanian between themselves. Those from the nearby villages still speak Gypsy.
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I understand that Alaric. However, I see nothing wrong in the attempt to create a modern standardized Roma language.
A standardized Gypsy language which they learn at school does already exist. You can see how an alphabetization manual in that language looks: http://www.unicef.org/romania/ro/Man...fabetizare.pdf.

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I understand that Alaric. However, I see nothing wrong in the attempt to create a modern standardized Roma language.
It would be much more practical and effective to create regional standards.

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how widely do the Balkan Gypsies speak Romani languages? Here only a small minority of them can speak it and i think its the same in Slovakia, Romania, Czech Republic. They are linguistically mostly assimilated to their host countries.
In Macedonia most of them speak Romani, but I do know a few who speak Macedonian as their first language.

Interesting link: Romani Language Problem in Macedonia: Progress and Problems
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That's what I read somewhere. Never met a Roma in my life. There are some gypsies in my hometown. I guess they are from Rajasthan and claim to be the descendants of Maharana Pratap.

They make small items of iron. BTW, what kindled your interest in the Roma people.
It is supposed that the Gypsies originated from these people:
Domba Domba
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And that's where the English word 'gypsy' comes from - it's abbreviated from Egyptian.
I once wrote a paper about Gypsies ( not very long anyway) and I remember finding a source saying that the name Gypsy derives from the word "Egypticon", thus from Egypt. There were also other sources saying that they come from Indian. I suppose no one can be 100% sure.
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I once wrote a paper about Gypsies ( not very long anyway) and I remember finding a source saying that the name Gypsy derives from the word "Egypticon", thus from Egypt. There were also other sources saying that they come from Indian. I suppose no one can be 100% sure.
"Gypsy" derives from "Egyptian", because it was thought, and they claimed themselves, that they are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians from the Pharaonic times. But now, based on their language and customs, it's ascertained that they originate in India.
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