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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:13 AM   #31

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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #32
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Suleiman I and Francis I. Quite the scandal in Christendom at the time.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:53 AM   #33

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Suleiman I and Francis I. Quite the scandal in Christendom at the time.
I wonder if it was equally scandalous in the Umma at that time.
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I wonder if it was equally scandalous in the Umma at that time.
I don't really know but I don't think so. Ottomans never had a real problem with Christians. West usually alienated the Ottomans and Mohammadans in general but it was not the case in Ottomans.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #35

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I can't recall exact event but during some particular war Bulgars came to relieve the Constantinopole from Arab siege. whcih was quite unexpected considering the relations between Bulgars and Byzantine empire.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 03:30 AM   #36

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I can't recall exact event but during some particular war Bulgars came to relieve the Constantinopole from Arab siege. whcih was quite unexpected considering the relations between Bulgars and Byzantine empire.
It was the second siege of 717-18 A.D. This agrees with my thoughts that all such unexpected 'friendships' are not so unexpected when you look at the background of the story and the motives of those involved.

In this case I understand that the Bulgars would have lost a 'buffer' had Constantinople fallen, thus it's a case of choosing the lesser of two evils.

There's a discussion here on the topic - http://www.historum.com/medieval-byz...antinople.html
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Old December 14th, 2012, 04:05 AM   #37

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The Anglo-French alliance of 1672 (signed in 1670 in secret). The Dutch were somelike... "are you f***** kidding me? This isn't really happening..."
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Old December 14th, 2012, 04:28 AM   #38

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Italy backstabbing Germany and Austria-Hungary to form an alliance with France and Britain!
Italy didn't backstab anyone.
Neither A-H nor Germany warned Italy of their intentions and they didn't even ask it to join the war.
Italy had promised whatever help they could need.
They ignored Italy, then they got what they must have expected.
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The alliance of France with the protestant side at points in the religious wars in Germany.

The alliance of USSR with the US and UK in WWII and the speed with which the former allies became antagonists after the war.
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the earl of warwick and margaret of anjou was a shocker..

Indeed, Warwick must have felt really comfortable surrounded by all his new friends.
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