Mount Everest - Historum

Commander · July 30th, 2006, 10:15 AM

Do you think Edmund Hillary, of Great Britain, was really the first man to climb Mount Everest in 1953?

kahn · July 30th, 2006, 05:31 PM

Probably not, he was just the first European to climb it. Just like all other 'discoveries' by Europeans, they were never really the first ones to do it.

I'm sure there had been plenty of Sherpas to do it for hundres of years.

tedkaw · July 31st, 2006, 09:45 AM

has anyone seen that Mount Everest IMAX movie? It really gives you a true perspective of what it is like on that voyage to the top of the world.

DigitusImpudicus · July 31st, 2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kahn

Probably not, he was just the first European to climb it. Just like all other 'discoveries' by Europeans, they were never really the first ones to do it.

I'm sure there had been plenty of Sherpas to do it for hundres of years.

There is no evidence to support this. Likely the Sherpas themselves would have stories of doing so, even if unsubstantiated.

There was a possible summit by Mallory and Irvine in 1929. They died on the mountain very near the top, and it is unknown if they died before or after summiting.

BTW, Hillary was from New Zealand, not the UK.

Chris--

Professor Phantom · July 31st, 2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitusImpudicus

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Originally Posted by kahn

Probably not, he was just the first European to climb it. Just like all other 'discoveries' by Europeans, they were never really the first ones to do it.

I'm sure there had been plenty of Sherpas to do it for hundres of years.

There is no evidence to support this. Likely the Sherpas themselves would have stories of doing so, even if unsubstantiated.

There was a possible summit by Mallory and Irvine in 1929. They died on the mountain very near the top, and it is unknown if they died before or after summiting.

BTW, Hillary was from New Zealand, not the UK.

Chris--

Thank you for clearing that before I did Chris!

Commander · August 1st, 2006, 05:07 AM

My mistake...

Himanil · February 28th, 2009, 06:47 PM

Of course not. It's always the 'enlightening Europeans' (no offence) who make the discoveries 'officially'.
It'd been scaled far before 1953.

**Lucius** · March 1st, 2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Avenger

Of course not. It's always the 'enlightening Europeans' (no offence) who make the discoveries 'officially'.
It'd been scaled far before 1953.

Discoveries? What discovery? That Everest has a summit? That it's ascent can be survived?

I can't but think that if natives to the region had been possessed of that particular urge, they would have left a marker of some sort at the top to signal to the next fellows that someone else had been there first. They also would have told everybody what they had done.

On the other hand, maybe the people there had been scrambling around on all those mountaintops just for fun and sport for centuries and never thought to mark their "conquests" in any way or tell anybody where they had been because it was no "big deal" to them?

But on the other other hand, Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary were the first.

Himanil · March 1st, 2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucius

Discoveries? What discovery? That Everest has a summit? That it's ascent can be survived?

I can't but think that if natives to the region had been possessed of that particular urge, they would have left a marker of some sort at the top to signal to the next fellows that someone else had been there first. They also would have told everybody what they had done.

On the other hand, maybe the people there had been scrambling around on all those mountaintops just for fun and sport for centuries and never thought to mark their "conquests" in any way or tell anybody where they had been because it was no "big deal" to them?

But on the other other hand, Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary were the first.

The Sherpas didn't possess a urge it was very normal stuff for them to do so, it didn't matter to them how many times they climbed any mountain as long as there was some bumbling person with them whom they guide and get paid for.

**Lucius** · March 1st, 2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Avenger

The Sherpas didn't possess a urge it was very normal stuff for them to do so, it didn't matter to them how many times they climbed any mountain as long as there was some bumbling person with them whom they guide and get paid for.

Wait a minute. You seem to be saying that the Sherpas were willing to accept money in return for lying about it. How many Sherpas do you even know?