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Old November 10th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #31
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There are actually very few 'facts' in history -- although some people seem to believe the know 'the truth'--- just lots of opinions.
Agreed.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #32

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The United States did not lose the Vietnam War. The war was lost by the the nation of The Republic of Vietnam.
Oh dear!(big sigh)
If it was The Republic of Vietnam's war what were American and Australian troops there for?
When America retreated( silly me made a strategic withdrawal) were the South Vietnamese on the quayside with a brass band and waving bon voyage?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #33

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There are actually very few 'facts' in history -- although some people seem to believe the know 'the truth'--- just lots of opinions.
Yes Kev I agree with you on that but sometimes the odd fact shines through. Fact : Custer split his command.

Fact : Bentine and Reno used their initiative and common sense
and despite some losses did not go charging in.

Fact : The men under Custer were massacared.

Opinion : Custer was a gloryhunter who did not give a hoot for
the wellbeing of his soldiers and had already proved this
by leaving a company of his men in the field in a
a previous encounter with the Indians. Needless to say
they were killed. This caused resentment among his
soldiers and bitterness among his officers. Whatever
happened to the military code " leave no man behind "
?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #34

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Some of it is. There are historical facts. Some if it must be overgeneralizations, incorrect interpretations, and opinions from people in their respective societies and biased minds.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #35
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Oh dear!(big sigh)
If it was The Republic of Vietnam's war what were American and Australian troops there for?
When America retreated( silly me made a strategic withdrawal) were the South Vietnamese on the quayside with a brass band and waving bon voyage?
Sorry, no brass band, they were too busy trying to flee from the disaster that was befalling their country to wave bon voyage. I guess the decades of misery that followed are hopefully coming to an end somewhat. I wish the very best to the people of Vietnam.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #36

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I know we are wickedly OT here but with Custer's "Last Stand" I go with archeological evidence. It never happened, there was no noble last stand it was a panic stricken rout.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #37

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I know we are wickedly OT here but with Custer's "Last Stand" I go with archeological evidence. It never happened, there was no noble last stand it was a panic stricken rout.


Which reinforces my " opinion " Custer was a bloody idiot who should have mastered the art of the strategic withdrawel. A few arrows in the backside, while being admittedly embarrasing, is a whole heap better than being dead. Which does seem to be an undisputable fact.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #38

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Which reinforces my " opinion " Custer was a bloody idiot who should have mastered the art of the strategic withdrawel. A few arrows in the backside, while being admittedly embarrasing, is a whole heap better than being dead. .
Really have to disagree with you here V R. A few arrows in the backside would make it difficult for Custer to see the point
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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #39

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My opinion is quite straight about this.

History is in that sector of human knowledge where the so called "human sciences" [or scientific doctrines] stay.

Now, by definition a human science is not exact since it's not experimental in its entirety.

This can sounds odd, but we cannot make experiments about the campaigns run by Napoleon [it's obvious we cannot organize hundreds of thousands of person with equipments and supplies of that age and send them to conquer Russia!].

History is a scientific doctrine based on investigation, observation, collection of documents ...

So, is it accurate? Yes, in the limits it cannot be scientifically "exact" [in the sense "proved by experiments" or "proved by observation of phenomenons predicted by math formalisms" - this is typical for astronomy and astrophysics, just to say].
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Old November 12th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #40

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The good historians will tell you when they are speculating. Peter Heather is top notch. He will even discuss academic trends and changing perspectives that have taken place in the centuries after the event.
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