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Old August 4th, 2006, 07:20 AM   #1

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what from your countries past are you ashamed of?


I have learned a lot from joining Historum. I am just wondering if some of my fellow members are ashamed of anything their country has done in the past?
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Since I am from the United Kingdom I would have to say that I am ashamed of Edward II. He was a tyrant, condemned homosexuals---even though he was one, also he was a brutal tactical warfare man. He thought nothing of the rose of Chivalry.
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I'm ashamed of the current government under Blair, following Bush into an illegal war, when we should have been hunting Osama.
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I'm English and, though us 60m Britons are very diverse individuals, I think I can say that it is acceptable and accurate today to be rightly ashamed of many aspects of the British Empire, and related attitudes.

It was a megalomaniac and avaricious venture, bent upon violent takeover & domination by force, so as to exploit and 'syphon off' the raw minerals and wealth from the nations under it's eventual control.

Only the middle/upper class men in Britain benefitted- most of the rest of the nation meanwhile died of cholera and typhus, crammed many-families-to-a-'room' below the ground surface in sewage-infested cellar, or in backbreaking work in textile mills/coal mines for over half of each day, or behind a bayonet in the ultra-strict and class-ridden British army...

It is no compliment to suggest that the US may try to replicate that British 'success'...
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I am from Albania and am very ashamed that just over a year ago the Albanian people elected Sali Berisha, a former but horribly incompetent President, as Prime Minister. I'm not sure if that's what I'm most disappointed at my country for doing (Albania has only been around as a nation state since 1912), but it's definitely up there.
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The bribery of the Spartans from the Persians in the Peloponesian war, giving the right to the loser Persian King to interere to Greek affairs.
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Since I am from the United Kingdom I would have to say that I am ashamed of Edward II. He was a tyrant, condemned homosexuals---even though he was one, also he was a brutal tactical warfare man. He thought nothing of the rose of Chivalry.
Is Edward the II, the king we see in Braveheart... And his son is the gay prince?
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I am from America and am ashamed of the way we treated Native Americans. The Indian Removal Act forcefully moved thousands and thousands of natives to reservations on remote land no one wanted.
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Since I am from the United Kingdom I would have to say that I am ashamed of Edward II. He was a tyrant, condemned homosexuals---even though he was one, also he was a brutal tactical warfare man. He thought nothing of the rose of Chivalry.
Is Edward the II, the king we see in Braveheart... And his son is the gay prince?
Edward II is the "gay Prince"; Edward I is the king, in "Braveheart". Bad film historically speaking, but great fight scenes!
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It was a megalomaniac and avaricious venture, bent upon violent takeover & domination by force, so as to exploit and 'syphon off' the raw minerals and wealth from the nations under it's eventual control.
That's a little bit harsh, the Empire also did a lot of good, as empires go. We're getting very good at "bashing" ourselves these days. Pity.
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