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Old August 12th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #11

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How pointless. Were Genghis' conquests really worth all those violent deaths? What about Timurs' empire? The Atlantic Slave Trade? The Russian Civil War? A few people got rich or forced their vision of the world by ruining the lives of many more, but in the end they all are dead anyways.

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What makes the Mongols so special, that they deserved being put on the world scale over the corpses of millions of murdered people?
Nothing. Nobody even cares about the Mongols today, aside from history buffs.
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Old August 12th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #12

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I believe the British genocide of the native Tasmanians should be up there, considering we wiped them out completely. I've read that it was the only absolutely 'successful' (If such a word is even appropriate) genocide in history, but even if not it was close enough.
The last ones died in the late 1800s.
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It's amazing how people can rail on about European bloodshed till their cheeks turn blue, but if someone makes the same charge of non-Europeans they justify it with science, art, and culture.

Colonials killed people? An atrocity.
Non-Europeans killed people? It's okay, because they gave us zero.

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Old August 13th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #14

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It's amazing how people can rail on about European bloodshed till their cheeks turn blue, but if someone makes the same charge of non-European empires they justify it with art, culture, and science.

Colonials killed people? An atrocity.
Non-Europeans killed people? It's okay, because they gave us zero.
This is really true, too, and unfortunately it seems to be prevalent in some parts of this forum.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 07:03 AM   #15

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I tought conquest of america was much more high on that scale.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 07:15 AM   #16

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I tought conquest of america was much more high on that scale.
anyone can put a number because no one actually knows for sure
it is not known, the number of inhabitants of the Americas before contact.
and although each "specialist" has his guess and estimates, there is no serious archaeological study on the population of the americas and let alone the number of dead in the conquest that lasted almost 500 years, in a vast area.

Here's a chart with various estimates of the populations of the americas
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Old August 13th, 2014, 07:23 AM   #17

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then on the base of what "studies" they placed the americas way down compared to Gengis slaughters?
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Old August 13th, 2014, 07:46 AM   #18

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Not had the opportunity to read this study, but there are hundreds of theories on the number of deaths on americas we can choose what you want, but dont exist a consensus or even a comprehensive study on this, in archeology we call that "number wars"
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Old August 13th, 2014, 07:49 AM   #19

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What makes the Mongols so special, that they deserved being put on the world scale over the corpses of millions of murdered people?
Good hats!

Nazis = Black and skull ensemble

Mongols = Little furry helmets

British empire = Pith helmets

You can't have a big empire without good hats.
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Good hats!

Nazis = Black and skull ensemble

Mongols = Little furry helmets

British empire = Pith helmets

You can't have a big empire without good hats.
Seems the Darth vader Helmets didn't help Iraq empire though.
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