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Old August 13th, 2014, 01:18 PM   #21
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The "lachrymose conception of Jewish history" (the quote comes from Professor Salo Baron)--the idea that until modern times, conditions for Jews (particularly in medieval Christian Europe) were horrible in all times and places.
While the Jews did suffer a lot through the ages, they were hardly unique about this. Virtually every group of people has suffered losses.
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While the Jews did suffer a lot through the ages, they were hardly unique about this. Virtually every group of people has suffered losses.
I wonder if the scale of Jewish suffering and especially "demographic devastation" in this regard was unique, though.
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That the WWI generals ,in particular the British ones, were fools who refused to learn and blindly and callously sent soldiers charging machine guns.

The phrase 'Lions led by Donkeys' was never used in WWI
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I wonder if the scale of Jewish suffering and especially "demographic devastation" in this regard was unique, though.
By losses I meant tragedies in general.
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I wonder if the scale of Jewish suffering and especially "demographic devastation" in this regard was unique, though.
Don't think so--considering that many Indian peoples in the Americas were completely wiped out, or nearly so.
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Don't think so--considering that many Indian peoples in the Americas were completely wiped out, or nearly so.
Very good point in this regard; however, wasn't a large part of this massive Native American "demographic devastation" caused by the spread of European diseases to which Native Americans had little or no immunity to? If so, then while this is certainly atrocious, it is a bit different from enduring massive "demographic devastation" due to having enormous numbers of your ethnic group being purposely killed, as was the case with the Jews.
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Very good point in this regard; however, wasn't a large part of this massive Native American "demographic devastation" caused by the spread of European diseases to which Native Americans had little or no immunity to? If so, then while this is certainly atrocious, it is a bit different from enduring massive "demographic devastation" due to having enormous numbers of your ethnic group being purposely killed, as was the case with the Jews.
If your people is being virtually wiped out, I don't think it matters to you whether it's intentional or not. And to be frank, dying of a disease like smallpox seems even worse to me than dying in a gas chamber or a mass shooting.
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The claims that some groups of people are more evil than others. Evil is universal, nobody has a monopoly on bastardly behavior.
True.

The one that really annoys me is Wellington said "Just because one is born in a barn does not make one a horse." He never said that, but it gets repeated over and over again.
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1. If your people is being virtually wiped out, I don't think it matters to you whether it's intentional or not.

2. And to be frank, dying of a disease like smallpox seems even worse to me than dying in a gas chamber or a mass shooting.
1. Well, nowadays I think that the law makes a distinction in regards to intent (or lack thereof) in many cases.

I agree with you that the scale of Jewish "demographic devastation" throughout history appears not to have been unique; however, I am unsure if any other ethnic group endured "demographic devastation" on the scale that the Jews did due to the fact that massive numbers of people belonging to this ethnic group were purposely killed.

2. You might be correct in regards to this from the perspective of the victim. However, looking at it from a different perspective, one can claim that the massive "demographic devastation" which Native Americans endured was less likely to have been prevented than the massive "demographic devastation" which the Jews endured.
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The one that really annoys me is Wellington said "Just because one is born in a barn does not make one a horse." He never said that, but it gets repeated over and over again
That phrase is sometimes used to 'explain' why being born in a country doesn't necessarily make you part of the nation if other factors don't fit ('other factors' are almost always skin colour). That's the most annoying thing, because - regardless of the sentiment - comparing horses and humans is just outright no.
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