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Old September 7th, 2014, 02:49 AM   #1

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Any USA won war after WWII ?


Hi , I was checking around some of the subsequent battles , and war in wich USA were involved after the WWII .

Its obvious that USA won WWII with the help of Russia and UK, with some other minor allies, but ... Every war fought after by the Usa seems to have been either a lost or at the best a draw.Also wherever they were involved they have brought a more messy situation in the areas without beeing able to control the situation and beeing inept to creat a good communication with the locals or not inimicate the population .This seems to have increased more and more the antiamerican feelings we see today especially in the Muslim world .
Its strange as I would have expected the British or the Spanish to be the most hated due to their colonial past , instead its the Usa .

Any reason behind all that long series of failed relations and wars?
The might have the strongest army , but seems not the best strategician and surely some of the worst pacifiers ?

Btw I am not beeing antiamerican or rising a polemic, I am just rising a question that I might be completely wrong on .

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Old September 7th, 2014, 03:06 AM   #2

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What a load of rubbish, the US has not lost a conflict ever!!!

It has drawn a few Korea, 1812 and Vietnam.

Only 1812 being a real draw. Korea was a ceasefire ordered by the UN, and in Vietnam the North Vietnamese had been military defeated, just the Americans people will at home to fight the war was eroded.
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Half the US lost the Civil War, Lawnmowerman.
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What a load of rubbish, the US has not lost a conflict ever!!!

It has drawn a few Korea, 1812 and Vietnam.

Only 1812 being a real draw. Korea was a ceasefire ordered by the UN, and in Vietnam the North Vietnamese had been military defeated, just the Americans people will at home to fight the war was eroded
If you are prevented from completing your military objectives due to enemy armed forces, you've lost a war. All the hair-splitting and semantics in the world won't change this.

1812 was a defeat sure as night is dark: the US failed all its military objectives and had its capital burned to the ground. In Korea the US as part of a UN army (hence the 'UN ceasefire' you mention) didn't push the communists out of the peninsular. They're still there, that's why we have North and South Korea today. In Vietnam, North Vietnam overran the south - the very thing the US went there to prevent.

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Every war fought after by Usa seems to have been either lost or brought to a draw
They did great in Grenada [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada"]Invasion of Grenada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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Britain, dammit. This post just put the Yes camp in the lead.

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Old September 7th, 2014, 03:17 AM   #5

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What a load of rubbish, the US has not lost a conflict ever!!!

It has drawn a few Korea, 1812 and Vietnam.

Only 1812 being a real draw. Korea was a ceasefire ordered by the UN, and in Vietnam the North Vietnamese had been military defeated, just the Americans people will at home to fight the war was eroded.
Is it?

Korea war was lost according to the original plans , and it resulted in a status quo of split of the country , Same goes for Vietnam wich actually was a lost war , Iraq another Failure and Afghanistan , was that even a war that produced any solid results , Libya deposed the government and gived free access to weapons to all sort of terrorists and instability of the region , anythng else ?

I have also made clear to consider only after WWII wars as befoure that period Usa were not a major power .
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Britain, dammit. This post just put the Yes camp in the lead.
Fixed with Uk , better?
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Fixed with Uk , better?
Thank you It isn't just semantics.

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Korea war was lost according to the original plans , and it resulted in a status quo of split of the country , Same goes for Vietnam wich actually was a lost war , Iraq another Failure and Afghanistan , was that even a war that produced any solid results , Libya deposed the government and gived free access to weapons to all sort of terrorists and instability of the region , anythng else ?
The US as part of a coalition won the First Gulf War, and the Iraq War. It failed to defeat the war that came after the Iraq War, the war against insurgents. Same story in Afghanistan. It helped defeat the Taliban government, but hasn't defeated them as an insurgency.

The US alone has also won about a score of Cold War interventions since WWII, many against countries or factions within countries that really had no chance of winning, like Grenada up there.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 03:37 AM   #8

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Thank you It isn't just semantics.

The US as part of a coalition won the First Gulf War, and the Iraq War. It failed to defeat the war that came after the Iraq War, the war against insurgents. Same story in Afghanistan. It helped defeat the Taliban government, but hasn't defeated them as an insurgency.

The US alone has also won about a score of Cold War interventions since WWII, many against countries or factions within countries that really had no chance of winning, like Grenada up there.
First gulf War ok , that was a coalition and with a very limited scope , but the Iraq war was a total defeat and faiulure , They were unable to contain the strikes, call it rebellion , terrorism or uprising , anyway the Usa to have claimed to have pacified and won in that country they have instead created a mess, they left the country with poorly organized government , victim of all kind of speculative operations by other economies , left the population helpless and gived room for the growth of Isis and other forms of terrorisms that instead they were supposed to repress.Created a vacuum power in the middle east and allowed for Iran to take a major role in the area for the future .

They actually did have the opposite of the effect they wanted to achieve there and the whole muslim world now looks at Usa with increased hostility .
Grenada looked more like a disproportioned skirmish , I wouln't call it really a war .
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USA hasn't lost a war since Vietnam. And only the war of 1812 before that.

Korea, Power Pack, Sidra, Panama, Gulf 1, Gulf 2, Afgahnistan were all victories.

The Battle of Mogadishu was a defeat, but it wasn't part of a war.
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but the Iraq war was a total defeat and faiulure , despite the Usa to have claimed to have pacified and won in that country m they have instead created a mess
The Iraq War was just deposing Saddam Hussein. That was one of the most decisive campaigns in military history. The war against the insurgency is a successor war, separate from the deposition of Saddam, and it's that that was lost.

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Grenada looked more like a disproportioned skirmish , I wouln't call it really a war
Neither would I, but most western (not just US) victories since WWII fit into the disproportioned skirmish category.

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Korea, Power Pack, Sidra, Panama, Gulf 1, Gulf 2, Afgahnistan were all victories
Americans have a funny definition of victory.

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