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Old June 1st, 2015, 11:46 AM   #1
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Why are Ancient Civilizations are so overrated here?


All I see is that people here fawning over Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Persians and other ancient civilizations/cultures.

I mean they were certainly great for their time but comparing them to modern states is laughable at best. Modern World is far more complicated and impressive since everything great has been invented during 18-21 centuries.

But amateur historians on this site are romanticizing everything ancient while putting down and underrating everything modern.
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I mean they were certainly great for their time but comparing them to modern states is laughable at best. Modern World is far more complicated and impressive since everything great has been invented during 18-21 centuries
It really isn't. When you reach the same level of detail that most people have off-hand about the modern age, it even outs. The invention point is relative, and that couldn't be true had previous ages not made their contributions. 'Shoulders of giants' and all.

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In 'when would you rather live?' threads the modern age wins by a landslide every time.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 12:32 PM   #3
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Humanity hasn't evolved much since the beginning of recorded history. The physiology of people from Roman times is not too much different than today's people. Technology makes us far superior, but that is a new development, the consequences of which are still to be seen.

As for philosophy, civics and politics, well... we still learn something from the Romans (as well as others) from time to time and much of Western culture is built upon the foundations that the Greeks and Romans built.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 12:37 PM   #4
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All I see is that people here fawning over Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Persians and other ancient civilizations/cultures.

I mean they were certainly great for their time
but comparing them to modern states is laughable at best. Modern World is far more complicated and impressive since everything great has been invented during 18-21 centuries.

But amateur historians on this site are romanticizing everything ancient while putting down and underrating everything modern.
It is precisely because they were so great for their time(and for a long long time afterwards) that we do fawn over them.
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All I see is that people here fawning over Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Persians and other ancient civilizations/cultures.

I mean they were certainly great for their time but comparing them to modern states is laughable at best. Modern World is far more complicated and impressive since everything great has been invented during 18-21 centuries.

But amateur historians on this site are romanticizing everything ancient while putting down and underrating everything modern.
What do you expect from a "history" forum? Who has got a passion for history tends to pay more attention to far past than to recent past. It's not about better or worse, but about "historical interest".

It's psychological ...

Anyway, note [just take a look at the section of Historum] that this site is quite well balanced.
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What do you expect from a "history" forum? Who has got a passion for history tends to pay more attention to far past than to recent past. It's not about better or worse, but about "historical interest".

It's psychological ...

Anyway, note [just take a look at the section of Historum] that this site is quite well balanced.
This I can agree with.

Its simple matter of what your personally interested in. For me, the periods I'm most interested in are ancient and medieval.
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This I can agree with.

Its simple matter of what your personally interested in. For me, the periods I'm most interested in are ancient and medieval.
It needs a simple statistical observation to realize that:

now there are 186 users following Ancient History section.

Only European History section sees a wider audience [I suspect because of geographical distribution of Historum members ...].

But if we sum Ancient History and Medieval and Byzantine History section ... even geographical influences lose ... far past wins.

This is history, nothing else.
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All I see is that people here fawning over Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Persians and other ancient civilizations/cultures.

I mean they were certainly great for their time but comparing them to modern states is laughable at best. Modern World is far more complicated and impressive since everything great has been invented during 18-21 centuries.

But amateur historians on this site are romanticizing everything ancient while putting down and underrating everything modern.
There's always been an appeal to ancient times. The idea of massive monuments when it was harder to build them. Conquering vast empires when it was harder to do so.
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Well, my Roman History professor at University argued that history ended with the crusades, that everything that happened after that is just current events.

In a sense, he's correct. The crusades can still be a contentious issue in modern politics and are at least somewhat relevant to understanding the politics of the Middle East.

Ancient history isn't really my thing, outside a few events like the Punic Wars it just doesn't hold my interest like the past 500 years. But for those who enjoy it, this is certainly the place to discuss it.
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What a bizarre comment to make on a history forum.
Ancient civilisations had many of the same problems (and pleasures) as modern ones. A study of how they approached them, solved--or failed to solve them is not only educational, but entertaining.

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What, like flushing toilets? Main drainage? City planning? Roads? Water supplied direct to a house from the mains? High rise buildings? Elevators? A civil service and bureaucracy? The principles of anatomy?--to name just a few.
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