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Old January 2nd, 2010, 09:01 PM   #1
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A new/old perspective on the current world order!


Julius Caesar became legendary due to his defiance from a disorderly senatorial chastisement. Within this defiance, Gaius Julius Caesar became immortal due to his mortal from of sabotage within his most trusted cabinet and friends. Defiance is most commonly deemed as an unjust act against the most commonly accepted view, or a view of circumstance. Copernicus, a 16th Century physicist, sought truth in the world in which he existed. Well aware of the consequences of defying the Catholic Church during itís time of reign and foothold throughout the expansion of land in which the church ruled, Copernicus attempted to disprove the widely accepted theory the Earth was the center of the universe. For his belief and acceptance, which we now know to be true, of the facts he was condemned to death. Julius Caesar looked upon all men that became before him which refused to accept commonly accepted truthís. Socrates, Copernicus, (others Iím not aware of) became martyrís due to their cause. Following his orders, Juliusí allies fled Rome in fear of the ďsenatus consultum ultimumĒ laid down by the senate to force Caesar and all whom supported him from power. In rebellion, Caesar met on the south-western most province of control to plan an attack.
Men who refuse to follow commonly accepted view of law are seen as men of defiance, of loss, which often become outcasts. I see these men, which have probable cause and full truth behind their actions as men of worth. Men of cause. A cause can many times lead a man or flock astray. Sometimes it can lead to things never seen before, never believed by anyone without vision. This action takes great courage, great vision, and great courage. Courage is viewed by many in different versions. Itís viewed as action against insurmountable odds. Wrong, belief! Itís viewed as being able to continue after being kept back. Wrong, perseverance! I think courage is being able to do the right thing in which those events arenít most wanted. What is honor then? Is honor doing the right thing no matter which event/condition presents itself? Is honor taking yourself before others? I think honor is one of the most confusing words to define in the English language. Can you touch it, see it, feel it, have it? I think the latter is likely, but who cares what I think. Honor might be the action of doing the right thing no matter who is around. But who decides what the right action is? Man is imperfect and each event, circumstance, situation, time, presentation calls for different actions due to the antagonists/protagonists view/perspective at that time due to their feeling, timing, perspective, etc. Many times the hero has later became the martyr. Is this due to a loss of thought or could it be the new profound gain of existence or control. I guess everyone has their own opinion whether right or wrong. I think man greatest weakness is their ability to continue to repeat mistakes. Mankindís ability to refuse this action is more astounding than any occurrence in the history of the universe. The universe dictates its own accord but mankind has the ability, foresight to see what might occur if their repeat these actions but somehow refuse intuition and continue forth to make mistakes. What do you think about this perspective?
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Julius Caesar became legendary due to his defiance from a disorderly senatorial chastisement. Within this defiance, Gaius Julius Caesar became immortal due to his mortal from of sabotage within his most trusted cabinet and friends. Defiance is most commonly deemed as an unjust act against the most commonly accepted view, or a view of circumstance. Copernicus, a 16th Century physicist, sought truth in the world in which he existed. Well aware of the consequences of defying the Catholic Church during itís time of reign and foothold throughout the expansion of land in which the church ruled, Copernicus attempted to disprove the widely accepted theory the Earth was the center of the universe. For his belief and acceptance, which we now know to be true, of the facts he was condemned to death. Julius Caesar looked upon all men that became before him which refused to accept commonly accepted truthís. Socrates, Copernicus, (others Iím not aware of) became martyrís due to their cause. Following his orders, Juliusí allies fled Rome in fear of the ďsenatus consultum ultimumĒ laid down by the senate to force Caesar and all whom supported him from power. In rebellion, Caesar met on the south-western most province of control to plan an attack.
Men who refuse to follow commonly accepted view of law are seen as men of defiance, of loss, which often become outcasts. I see these men, which have probable cause and full truth behind their actions as men of worth. Men of cause. A cause can many times lead a man or flock astray. Sometimes it can lead to things never seen before, never believed by anyone without vision. This action takes great courage, great vision, and great courage. Courage is viewed by many in different versions. Itís viewed as action against insurmountable odds. Wrong, belief! Itís viewed as being able to continue after being kept back. Wrong, perseverance! I think courage is being able to do the right thing in which those events arenít most wanted. What is honor then? Is honor doing the right thing no matter which event/condition presents itself? Is honor taking yourself before others? I think honor is one of the most confusing words to define in the English language. Can you touch it, see it, feel it, have it? I think the latter is likely, but who cares what I think. Honor might be the action of doing the right thing no matter who is around. But who decides what the right action is? Man is imperfect and each event, circumstance, situation, time, presentation calls for different actions due to the antagonists/protagonists view/perspective at that time due to their feeling, timing, perspective, etc. Many times the hero has later became the martyr. Is this due to a loss of thought or could it be the new profound gain of existence or control. I guess everyone has their own opinion whether right or wrong. I think man greatest weakness is their ability to continue to repeat mistakes. Mankindís ability to refuse this action is more astounding than any occurrence in the history of the universe. The universe dictates its own accord but mankind has the ability, foresight to see what might occur if their repeat these actions but somehow refuse intuition and continue forth to make mistakes. What do you think about this perspective?
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You've got a lot of good thoughts here and many profound questions. On this forum questions with a clear focus receive answers that the asker is looking for. You're going in many different directions. You're bound to receive comments on things you didn't even intend. Hell, one could be forgiven for saying you're beating the drum for George W. Bush.

Can you limit your question to one issue, or craft the context of the question so that the stream of thought retains a theme leading to one specific or one profound question?
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We do not have a world order. We have (as always) world disorder.
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But who decides what the right action is? Man is imperfect and each event, circumstance, situation, time, presentation calls for different actions due to the antagonists/protagonists view/perspective at that time due to their feeling, timing, perspective, etc.
Remember in The Two Towers when …omer asks Aragorn, "The world is all grown strange. ... How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

Aragorn replies, "As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."

So, there's no "etc" about it.
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Remember in The Two Towers when …omer asks Aragorn, "The world is all grown strange. ... How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

Aragorn replies, "As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."

So, there's no "etc" about it.
Very good analogy.
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I thought so when I first read it.
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