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Old June 8th, 2013, 03:51 AM   #21

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Oh no, does it get that bad. I fail to understand this incestuous relationship, Richard was closer related to Anne Neville than Elizabeth of York. For one thing Edward IV was half brother, as his father was an archer. Anyway there was no relationship what so ever, it was just cruel rumours put about when Anne was dying, by Elizabeth Woodville. I not even got that book to know that is rubbish, why are people allowed to write mass rubbish.
There is no evidence that Edward IV was illegitimate, only a vague rumour of dubious origin. Had there been any real doubts, Richard III would undoubtedly have used them to bolster his own claim to the throne. Instead, he chose to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Edward's children.
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where that Tony Robinson documentary youtube again, rumour and tall stories are something that Tudor historians cling to.
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PG seems to have a thing about incest - she made a lot of it in relation to Anne Boleyn and her brother.

I assume she does it because it sells books.
Its pretty sad that she considers it to be what happened in history. Its seems that she is no better than Shakesphere, just a ridiculous vandal. I don't even consider her a historian. I shall read her books and I will be posting about what I think.
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The White Queen series which starts on TV this week, (I think) is based on her book about Elizabeth Woodville.

She has become an extremely popular author. My concern, as always, is that many of her readership believe she is writing a novelised version of historical truth - and cannot distinguish between what is based on fact and what she has created to make a good story.
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The White Queen series which starts on TV this week, (I think) is based on her book about Elizabeth Woodville.

She has become an extremely popular author. My concern, as always, is that many of her readership believe she is writing a novelised version of historical truth - and cannot distinguish between what is based on fact and what she has created to make a good story.
From what little I have glanced at, I think she writes a bit too wooden for me to understand. I dread to think what the drama is like when is it going to be shown.
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She is adament that richard and elizabeth were lovers as henry didn't marry elizabeth for 5 months after winning bosworth to ensure she wasn't pregnant. She is also insistent that richard was perkin warbeck.

she's a complete yorkist hack with no regard for the probable but improbable.
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She is adament that richard and elizabeth were lovers as henry didn't marry elizabeth for 5 months after winning bosworth to ensure she wasn't pregnant. She is also insistent that richard was perkin warbeck.

she's a complete yorkist hack with no regard for the probable but improbable.
she's a novellist.

personally, i think she's a crap novellist, and a deluded 'pseudo-historian', but she is just a novellist, and anyone seriously interested in history should be as fazed by her views as a biologist is about Barbara Cartland writing about 'quivering members'.

what i object to is the BBC giving her airtime as a 'historian' - after one of the White Queen episodes there was a one hour thing on BBC2 about 'the real White Queen' or some such tripe, presented by 'Dr Philippa Gregory', while failing to note that her Doctorate is not in Medieval English History or whatever, but in 18th Century Literature.

Gregory, like everyone else, is out to make a living - the BBC however is not there to facilitate that at the expence of the public by suggesting that she's something she's not.
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she's a novellist.

personally, i think she's a crap novellist, and a deluded 'pseudo-historian', but she is just a novellist, and anyone seriously interested in history should be as fazed by her views as a biologist is about Barbara Cartland writing about 'quivering members'.

what i object to is the BBC giving her airtime as a 'historian' - after one of the White Queen episodes there was a one hour thing on BBC2 about 'the real White Queen' or some such tripe, presented by 'Dr Philippa Gregory', while failing to note that her Doctorate is not in Medieval English History or whatever, but in 18th Century Literature.

Gregory, like everyone else, is out to make a living - the BBC however is not there to facilitate that at the expence of the public by suggesting that she's something she's not.
most unlikely that Barbara Cartland would ever have written about quivering members. her heroines were always virgins, there was no sex until they were married, and even then it wasn't graphically described.

I agree though it is absurd to regard Phillipa Gregory as a serious historian.
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she's a novellist.

personally, i think she's a crap novellist, and a deluded 'pseudo-historian', but she is just a novellist, and anyone seriously interested in history should be as fazed by her views as a biologist is about Barbara Cartland writing about 'quivering members'.

what i object to is the BBC giving her airtime as a 'historian' - after one of the White Queen episodes there was a one hour thing on BBC2 about 'the real White Queen' or some such tripe, presented by 'Dr Philippa Gregory', while failing to note that her Doctorate is not in Medieval English History or whatever, but in 18th Century Literature.

Gregory, like everyone else, is out to make a living - the BBC however is not there to facilitate that at the expence of the public by suggesting that she's something she's not.
I can understand your outrage, how dare she put Richard in a more neutral light than Shakesphere. He has been getting away with his historical inaccurate account of his play for years. Well at least she has given a blank canvas to paint the true person that Richard was like and what happened back then.
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she's a novellist.

personally, i think she's a crap novellist, and a deluded 'pseudo-historian', but she is just a novellist, and anyone seriously interested in history should be as fazed by her views as a biologist is about Barbara Cartland writing about 'quivering members'.

what i object to is the BBC giving her airtime as a 'historian' - after one of the White Queen episodes there was a one hour thing on BBC2 about 'the real White Queen' or some such tripe, presented by 'Dr Philippa Gregory', while failing to note that her Doctorate is not in Medieval English History or whatever, but in 18th Century Literature.

Gregory, like everyone else, is out to make a living - the BBC however is not there to facilitate that at the expence of the public by suggesting that she's something she's not.
I couldn't agree more, Dried Fruit. Almost every piece of writing about her, her books and the rubbish that was the TV series, describe her as a 'historian' and thus that becomes implanted in the public mind and people begin to think what she writes is firmly based in historical fact........
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