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Old September 12th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #11

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US lost because they couldn't maintain (and were not really willing to maintain) a military presence in Indochina forever. Their two decades involvement in the region didn't stop or diminish Communist influence in the region, therefore their mission was a failure - they basically failed to reach their objective.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 04:58 PM   #12

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NO, the United States did not lose the war. To say that the Americans lost the war is pure stupititify.
You mean “stupidity” or “covfefe”?

Typo apart, it doesn’t improve your argument giving negative nomenclatures to the others reasoning. Again, if the USA went to war and didn’t fulfil its objectives, while the enemy did, how can we consider that it did not lose the war?
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Old September 12th, 2017, 08:20 PM   #13

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actually , while the US Army lost the war , the grand political objectives of stopping the spread of communism in south East Asia was accomplished .

by 1973 the communist block was broken ,
Indonesia and Malaysia had dealt ( harshly) with their respective internal dissent , Thailand felt safe enough to dip an interventionist toe in Cambodia ,
Laos was walking the tightrope between the blocks , while hating all foreigners .
Vietnam and China had a border war
the supreme poker of Nixon going to shake hand with Mao was the sign of greater thing to come
relation with the USSR were having some pretty good detente and nuclear treaties

sometime winning is incidental to obtaining a good outcome ,
sometimes marking time is the winning strategy
something the US military is too blinkered to understand
as Clemenceau once said "war is too serious a business to let the generals run it "
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Old September 25th, 2017, 05:52 AM   #14

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The Vietnam War- WHAT really happened?


^ before one gets lost in the domino myth of an all in one communist bloc, ask yourself how countries, those directly in the path of these dangerous dominos reacted? Well after Tet when Clifford went to ask Thailand, the Philippines, Australia & NZ to increase their token troop numbers, they refused. So much for this supposedly monolithic Communist threat to SEA & W Pacific.

The whole concept, however strongly Eisenhower may have believed it, was wrong. And later leadership was locked into it & often used it as marketing 101. Simple msg for simple people. The historical record from the other side of the hill shows this as well.


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Old September 25th, 2017, 06:01 AM   #15

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Those interested in Vietnam War should check out PBS series underway. Six covering 68 was probably the high point for drama. Tet, the Press, King, Kennedy, “world gone mad” & LBJ won’t run.


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