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Old February 27th, 2011, 07:03 PM   #51
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I think it's an poor form of government he suggests. It's definitely not a meritocracy. In fact, it's almost the opposite. Any sucker willing to give up his time is granted citizenship.
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So little distinction between hero and fool, eh?
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So little distinction between hero and fool, eh?
not before the fact, no
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Anyway, I meant that nobody is turned down. One's service is determined based upon merit or skill, but it's the simple acting of signing on the dotted line and working in the federal service that granted citizenship.
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I don't know Tennenbaum. The people(in the story), that have given something to the State are a far cry from what we have now(in reality). People that don't vote in our society are generally looked down on, or told that they shouldn't complain about the Government they have if they do not participate. Generally speaking, the same thing would apply. If there are intellectually superior individuals that could help the State, and all they have to do is serve (and again I am not specifically advocating military service), they have nobody but themselves to blame if they choose not to.
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I don't know Tennenbaum. The people(in the story), that have given something to the State are a far cry from what we have now(in reality). People that don't vote in our society are generally looked down on, or told that they shouldn't complain about the Government they have if they do not participate. Generally speaking, the same thing would apply. If there are intellectually superior individuals that could help the State, and all they have to do is serve (and again I am not specifically advocating military service), they have nobody but themselves to blame if they choose not to.
Right, but how does that lead to better governance? Essentially the situation would be identical to that we have today. Either way there is no guarantee that the people best capable of governing would do so. Truly apathetic people don't involve themselves in government anyway, and they tend not to vote. I don't buy the lame premise that somehow legions of undeserving and uninterested people swarm to the voting booth to get free stuff. It's just as easy to sit at home, and in the world of Starship Troopers it's no different.
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I don't buy the lame premise that somehow legions of undeserving and uninterested people swarm to the voting booth to get free stuff.
You don't know San Francisco then.
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Right, but how does that lead to better governance? Essentially the situation would be identical to that we have today. Either way there is no guarantee that the people best capable of governing would do so.
Also, you are correct, there are no certainties in life.
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You don't know San Francisco then.
I suppose not. I only lived in the Bay Area for 20 years.

But seriously, is not the motivation to vote deserving enough? Some might not like what they vote for, but that's democracy. It's kind of condescending to label anybody who votes in their own self-interest (which is everybody, really) a poor voter.

I can't think of any reason why a person who signed up for "federal" service would make a better voter.
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Because anything that is simply given, has no value. It is the same reason that for every other thing in our lives, we must earn it. To vote however, one simply has to be born here. If one desires the right to wield power in the body politic, they should be willing to give something back to those they wish to govern.
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