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Old May 26th, 2016, 01:29 PM   #21
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Yes I have seen that.
Fred, don't you think though that all this "Scotch-Irish Americans" ancestry thing is a bit exaggerated? The demographics/populations don't make sense
A census return in America gave those who thought of themselves as Scotch-Irish in millions. I know Sindane that doesn't answer your question but it does show they had an awareness of where they came from or even who they were.

There is a stack of stuff about the Scotch-Irish/Ulster-Scots on the net

Ulster Sails West gives a real insight into their contribution in the making of America. From religion, to commerce, to the military to education their influence was enormous. This cannot be denied. Its there for all to see...if they are interested enough.
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A census return in America gave those who thought of themselves as Scotch-Irish in millions. I know Sindane that doesn't answer your question but it does show they had an awareness of where they came from or even who they were.

There is a stack of stuff about the Scotch-Irish/Ulster-Scots on the net

Ulster Sails West gives a real insight into their contribution in the making of America. From religion, to commerce, to the military to education their influence was enormous. This cannot be denied. Its there for all to see...if they are interested enough.
Which census?

Yes I have seen the stuff on the net. That is what confuses me

I doubt the % of populations of the UK/Northern Ireland have changed much over the years or the numbers of emigrants. Northern Ireland today only has a population of 1.8 million, about the size of an English county. So how can any influence have been "enormous". Isn't it a bit like saying "the enormous influence of people from the English county of Hampshire on America"?
This is what I don't understand.
Appalachia is another odd one. You often see claims made that there were loads of "Scots Irish" who emigrated there but when you look at the 19th c census, it does not show anything like that

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Which census?

Yes I have seen the stuff on the net. That is what confuses me

I doubt the % of populations of the UK/Northern Ireland have changed much over the years or the numbers of emigrants. Northern Ireland today only has a population of 1.8 million, about the size of an English county. So how can any influence have been "enormous". Isn't it a bit like saying "the enormous influence of people from the English county of Hampshire on America"?
This is what I don't understand.
Appalachia is another odd one. You often see claims made that there were loads of "Scots Irish" who emigrated there but when you look at the 19th c census, it does not show anything like that
I'll have to look that up about the census. I know there was a bit of a kick-up about the Scotch-Irish choice being removed from the list. A lot of folk in America with no knowledge of their history just described themselves as Irish.

Over 200,000 Ulster folk went to America in the 1700s

Soon Ulster people were settling in New York State, where they founded the Orange and Ulster counties. By 1738 Scotch-Irish settlers had pioneered their way from Pennsylvania into Virginia, of which two modern counties, Augusta and Rockbridge claim to be the most Scotch-Irish in the present United States. By 1738 their Orange County embraced most of the Valley of Virginia, and also much of what is now West Virginia. The new arrivals in America now generally went though Pennsylvania down into the Valley of Virginia. Here the McDowell family especially distinguished themselves, and thus did the Ulstermen become the men of Shenandoah. Others crossed the first range of the Alleghenies to settle in th valleys of (present) Highland and Bath counties.

By the end of 1775 at least a quarter of a million Ulster men and women had left Ireland over a period of 58 years, and according to some estimates, formed one sixth of the total population of the American Colonies. James Logan, the Provincial Secretary, had originally invited his fellow Ulstermen to Pennsylvania but soon complained that ' a settlement of five families from the north of Ireland gives me more trouble than fifty of any other people.'' He found the Scotch-Irish '' troublesome settlers to the government and hard neighbours to the Indians.'' Indeed, the first armed clash to precede the Revolutionary War occurred in 1771 when Scotch-Irish settlers fought British forces on th Alamance River in North Carolina. A German captain who fought alongside the British redcoats was quite explicit: '' Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch-Irish Presbyterian rebellion.'' The Pennsylvania Line,the famous force of regular troops, was of primarily Ulster descent. George Washington said, '' If defeated everywhere else I will make my last stand for liberty among the Scotch-Irish of my native Virginia.''
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Re the census

Scotch-Irish will no longer be included in official US census figures
Almost 35 million people currently living in the US claim Irish ancestry, according to the just released figures from the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey for 2010.

But in a controversial move the figures for the numbers of Scotch-Irish are no longer available. The Census Bureau has announced the change.
In a statement they said “While the ancestry tables will all look the same, the interpretation of the"Scotch-Irish" and "Other groups" estimates will change. ….Individuals reporting Irish-Scotch are no longer tabulated as "Scotch-Irish" but rather are included in the "Other groups" category.”
That information could well upset the millions of Americans who are of Scotch-Irish heritage which will no longer now be acknowledged as a separate heritage.

Scotch-Irish will no longer be included in official US census figures- POLL - IrishCentral.com
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