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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:23 AM   #1

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Military Orders (Hospitaller, Holy Sepulchre, etc.)


Hello guys.
I'm interesting into get to know more about military orders.
There's plenty of offer in terms of Templars offcourse, but not much about two others:
- Knights Hospitaller, Order of the Holly Sepulchre.

Also, is there any bibliography covering the existence of the orders in our days?

Thank you all.
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Old January 31st, 2018, 07:20 AM   #2

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Please, anybody knows something?
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Old January 31st, 2018, 07:58 AM   #3

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Please, anybody knows something?
Olá JM/Hello!

You did well to rise this thread, I didn’t saw the first post.

I may have something about the Hospitaller. I will see when I get home.
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Olá JM/Hello!

You did well to rise this thread, I didn’t saw the first post.

I may have something about the Hospitaller. I will see when I get home.
Thank you my friend.
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Hello guys.
I'm interesting into get to know more about military orders.
There's plenty of offer in terms of Templars offcourse, but not much about two others:
- Knights Hospitaller, Order of the Holly Sepulchre.

Also, is there any bibliography covering the existence of the orders in our days?

Thank you all.
Curiously I think that in Portugal the order that we know less about is the Templars, but I think that in international terms Alain Demurger is still one of the leading figures with books like “Vie et mort de l'ordre du Temple, 1120-1314,” (don’t think that there is a Portuguese edition), and “A Grande Aventura dos Templários – Da Origem ao Fim”, the Portuguese fancy title of the “Les Templiers – Une chevalerie chrétienne au Moyen Age”. He also has “Chevaliers du Christ, les ordres religieux militaires au Moyen Âge”, a more generic book about the military orders. Don’t recall if this last one mentions the Order of the Holly Sepulchre.

Still about the Templars there is online, available at LIBRO, a must read, an excellent work by Alan J. Forey, “Templars in the Corona de Aragón”:
The Templars in the Corona de Arag?n -- Master Page

Some 10 or maybe 15 years ago there was a doctoral thesis ongoing for the Templars in Portugal in the Faculdade de Letras da Universidade do Porto, but I don’t know how it went.

The “Fundação Eng. António de Almeida” has (or had) a magazine called “Militarium Ordinum Analecta”, the first volume is about the Military Orders in the Kindgom of D. João I, basically about the order of Christ, it is the thesis of Isabel Luísa Morgado de Sousa e Silva. The volumes 3 and 4 are probably the ones you are looking for “A Ordem Militar do Hospital em Portugal: Dos Finais da Idade Média à Modernidade”, and is the thesis of the professor Paula Costa (FLUP). If I am not mistaken the volume 2 is about the same order but from the beginning to the end of the Medieval Period. I can’t find it in the shelves. Probably I borrow it.

The Spanish Carlos de Ayala Martínez (Faculdad de Filosofía y Letras – Universidad Autónoma de Madrid) also has a good book entitled “Las órdenes militares hispanicas en la Edad Media (siglos XII-XV), edited by Marcial Pons.

In all these works you will find plenty of bibliography that can lead you to other works. The ones from Alain Demurger are probably the easiest to find in Libraries, but take a look to the one online by Alan J. Forey.

The also French historian Régine Pernoud has a book entitled “Les Templiers”/“Os Templários”, published in Portugal by the PEA, but is small and… generic.
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Here is a book on the Order of St. John:
https://www.amazon.com/Hospitallers-.../dp/B01AAGGLFG
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Here is a book on the Order of St. John:
https://www.amazon.com/Hospitallers-.../dp/B01AAGGLFG
It seems a good addition to the list. I already saw Jonathan Riley-Smith, and that book in particular, quoted several times, and he appears on the bibliography of most of the works that I mentioned before. I personally never read anything written by him, but that work seems to be a reference about the Hospitallers.
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About the Hospitallers, they still exist, since they became what's the Sovereign Military Order of Malta [SMOM]. In other words, the Knights of Malta are the "descendants" of teh Hospitallers.

Here [official site of the Order] you can find a summary of its history.

https://www.orderofmalta.int/history...o-the-present/

Here there is the list of the Grand Masters

https://www.orderofmalta.int/history/the-grand-masters/

I suggest to look for the deeds of Fra’ Jean de La Vallette-Parisot, he was Grand Master in occasion of the great Siege of Malta [when the Knights were able to defeat the invincible Army of the Sultan Suleiman].
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Alan J. Forey and Jonathan Riley-Smith have tons of stuff.
Still not much about Holly Sepulchre...

I had somethings already by J. R-Smith, but the ones on Hospital Order escaped me.
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the first order instituted was the Hospitaliers , they started a everlasting feud with the second order , the templars
their relations were so bad that in the Christian army they would hold rank at the opposite wings
The templars became famous for their supreme talent for making money ,
they are the founders of the letter of credit , their operation extended to Muslim Damascus and their financial reputation was one of extreme probity , politically nobody trusted them
they were destroyed by the French King Philip the fair , some sections in Scotland and the Iberian peninsular survived and/ or were integrated in a batch of local new orders dedicated to fight the muslims

the hospitaliers had a strange weapon , they controlled some Ismaelite villages of the sect of the old man of the mountain ,
they held that if dying doing his command they would go straight to paradise .
It's pretty hard to stop a trained killer with no concern for escape .
called the Hashishins , they targeted their enemies at the top ,
everybody feared them , except the hospitaliers who gave them military protection and the odd hit job .
They still survive to this day , one of their activity is the St John's ambulance association

the Teutonics were the last and smallest order in Palestine,
they reconverted themselves as crusaders of the East , fought the Prussians ,Lithuanians and Russians and held a quasi sovereign state until the great disaster of Tannenberg .
they still survive in a residual form in Germany
there were a couple of orders in the Baltic states , the sword holders Brethren ans the Livonian knights .

the last one to have a military reality was the hospitaliers ,renamed the Knights of St John
for three centuries they fought the Moslem and Turks in the Mediterranean , making a living from taking prizes and captives for ransom
they fought and lost their citadel of Rhodes after a hard siege and relocated to Malta , where they survived the great siege , their fall was by Napoleon who on the way to Egypt just took the place without a fight ,
there was some rumors of them being implicated in Biafra and Sudan .

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