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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:24 PM   #1482

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Rereading Keegan's Warfare as a break.

A History of Warfare: John Keegan: 9780679730828: Amazon.com: Books
A History of Warfare: John Keegan: 9780679730828: Amazon.com: Books


Might also look at this in the next few weeks, although I can't say I'm particularly partial to the subject - it was a gift, and I'd never have bought something like this ordinarily. But you never know.

MI6: The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949: Amazon.co.uk: Keith Jeffery: Books
MI6: The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949: Amazon.co.uk: Keith Jeffery: Books

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Old November 7th, 2012, 06:02 AM   #1483

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Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson and the Opening of the American West: Amazon.co.uk: Steven Ambrose: Books
Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson and the Opening of the American West: Amazon.co.uk: Steven Ambrose: Books


Picked it up for 1 at a market stall, quite a good read so far.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #1484

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Ambrose was an extremely well thought of and popular historian for a long time. Then had a problem develop over a book on D-Day. Seems some took offense at his descriptions of battlefield behavior. (I don't think he called anyone a coward but did describe them having a really tough time holding it together). Anyway, he was pretty much attacked and a couple of weaknesses developed. For one, he had always been known for his work on Eisenhower (I actually had to read his book on Ike and the end of WW2 in college). He had claimed to spend long hours with Ike on the book but turned out to really be overstated. He only barely met Ike. The other problem was an accusation of plagerism. I think it was minor but his enemies made a really big deal of it.

Anyway, interesting author, Steven Ambrose.

I never noticed anyone picking on his books as inaccurate.
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I never noticed anyone picking on his books as inaccurate.

On the contrary I have a friend who is always picking him apart for ommissions, dumbing sown or underplaying of events, and convenient blind spots. Not my subject area though, so I have no idea if he has much of an argument or not.
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On the contrary I have a friend who is always picking him apart for ommissions, dumbing sown or underplaying of events, and convenient blind spots. Not my subject area though, so I have no idea if he has much of an argument or not.
I will punt since I haven't really any evidence. His books haven't been about things I can claim expertise enough in to know if they are accurate. But I do believe my memory correct that his problems came from a group being unhappy with some comments he included they felt insulted by in a book. They went after him and, much to his chagrine, they found some stuff to use. And did.

Have you heard of the events? was it Band of Brothers? Or something a little later?

Might have been this one but I don't see the controversy referenced:

D Day: June 6, 1944: The Climactic Battle of World War II: Stephen E. Ambrose: 9780684801377: Amazon.com: Books
D Day: June 6, 1944: The Climactic Battle of World War II: Stephen E. Ambrose: 9780684801377: Amazon.com: Books

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this article on Wiki talks about the controversy in some detail. Please notice their disclaimer at the top suggesting it is a biased article. You certainly seem correct that 'inaccuracies' is part of the accusations.

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Indeed probably stems from all of that. Chap I know is big on British in Normandy and NW Europe, 1944-45, comes out of that and related material.
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He wrote the D-Day book in 95 which is long after most of his books represented accepted history. Funny noone had noticed all these 'inaccuracies' prior to that. When I was assigned his book on Eisenhower it was 1980. Yes, a while ago, no age comments please. My hip hurts enough already.
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He wrote the D-Day book in 95 which is long after most of his books represented accepted history. Funny noone had noticed all these 'inaccuracies' prior to that. When I was assigned his book on Eisenhower it was 1980. Yes, a while ago, no comments please. My hip hurts enough already.
Footnotes....not everybody bothers to read them, or check up on them.
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