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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:29 AM   #1

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Who Owns Your Books --- ???????


You don't own your Kindle books, Amazon reminds customer

best place i could think of to stick this ---- just a thought
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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:55 AM   #2

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I remember a few years ago, I told a friend of mine that you do not own e-books you merely rent them. He told me I was mistaken. Well, I said I bought an IPad that came with an Amazon App that included a dictionary and some books. A month later that dictionary and those books were gone. I said it seems to me that if Amazon is unhappy with you, they can just literally pull the plug and those books are gone.

I personally do not buy e-books for exactly that purpose. Besides taking those books away, Amazon can edit those books without your knowledge. At any rate, I do not like any big brother enterprise, whethe private or govenmental, to know what I read or be able to edit or take away books.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think e-books and music downloads are the biggest scams. What they giveth, they can taketh away.

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Old October 24th, 2012, 10:04 AM   #3

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I became aware of this after I purchased my kindle, so I quit purchasing books this way, only uploading free e-books. This makes my kindle basically a reference book, as the majority of history books that are free, are the classics that we use as primary sources.
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If you buy I-Tunes you never own them but only lease. Bruce Willis is taking Apple to court over it, he wants to leave his collection to his kids but can't under present rules.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #5

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my kindle basically a reference book
now - i didn't think of that one --- usually i have just been downloading pdf books etc from the free libraries and out of copyright stuff --
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Old October 24th, 2012, 10:42 AM   #6

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Latest reports on this say that her account has been restored and she has access to all her Kindle books again.

And ultimately, if anyone is worried about it, there is such thing as DRM removal.

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I remember a few years ago, I told a friend of mine that you do not own e-books you merely rent them. He told me I was mistaken. Well, I said I bought an IPad that came with an Amazon App that included a dictionary and some books. A month later that dictionary and those books were gone. I said it seems to me that if Amazon is unhappy with you, they can just literally pull the plug and those books are gone.
Did you contact Amazon? Are you sure the app was registered and registered to the correct account? Are you sure the books were gone entirely from the cloud/archive too, not just removed from the device?

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I personally do not buy e-books for exactly that purpose. Besides taking those books away, Amazon can edit those books without your knowledge.
No, Amazon can not edit the books... only the publisher/author can. Amazon have no legal rights to edit a book. They can remove Kindle books from your device/account. But I have yet to hear of a case where the books weren't restored after contacting Amazon. They mostly seem to be errors.

At any rate, I do not like any big brother enterprise, whethe private or govenmental, to know what I read or be able to edit or take away books.

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What they giveth, they can taketh away.
Not if you remove the DRM.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:24 AM   #7

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Seems I'm glad I don't own one or download music.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #8

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Latest reports on this say that her account has been restored and she has access to all her Kindle books again.

And ultimately, if anyone is worried about it, there is such thing as DRM removal.



Did you contact Amazon? Are you sure the app was registered and registered to the correct account? Are you sure the books were gone entirely from the cloud/archive too, not just removed from the device?



No, Amazon can not edit the books... only the publisher/author can. Amazon have no legal rights to edit a book. They can remove Kindle books from your device/account. But I have yet to hear of a case where the books weren't restored after contacting Amazon. They mostly seem to be errors.

At any rate, I do not like any big brother enterprise, whethe private or govenmental, to know what I read or be able to edit or take away books.



Not if you remove the DRM.
The fact is they can do it and have the power to remove books. Why should I have to contact anyone for permission to access a product or go through the headaches of retrieving books I have already "bought" and paid for?

You may be right about Amazon editing its books. However, even of the author approves an editing of his book, why should he be able to edit his book, that I have already purchased, withour first gaining my consent?

I may be overly cynical, but the mere fact that Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Apple, etc. may have the power to edit books and delete them, does not sit right with me.

A book may last for 100 years, an e-book will last only as long as you obey the small print in the Amazon and Apple download contract.
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The fact is they can do it and have the power to remove books. Why should I have to contact anyone for permission to access a product or go through the headaches of retrieving books I have already "bought" and paid for?

You may be right about Amazon editing its books. However, even of the author approves an editing of his book, why should he be able to edit his book, that I have already purchased, withour first gaining my consent?

I may be overly cynical, but the mere fact that Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Apple, etc. may have the power to edit books and delete them, does not sit right with me.

A book may last for 100 years, an e-book will last only as long as you obey the small print in the Amazon and Apple download contract.
Well I must admit this is a bit of bad news for me. I take my Kindle Fire everywhere and love it. I must admit I don't like the idea of them being able to take away my books....
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Old October 24th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #10

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You may be right about Amazon editing its books. However, even of the author approves an editing of his book, why should he be able to edit his book, that I have already purchased, withour first gaining my consent?
For the same reason George Lucas can change whatever he wants to in Star Wars without first consulting every fan on the planet. It's his property.

It's not unusual for publishers/authors to edit their books, that's why some books may have several editions. If you buy a hard copy book and they come out with a new edition, now you need to purchase the same book again if you want the updated edition.

I don't think this should be a big deal. Write your own book or write your own music if you want exclusive control.
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