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Old January 18th, 2013, 03:38 PM   #11

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I also have heard that this book is very detailed, informative, and the author knows his stuff well.

I may consider buying the book, even though the third reich isn't one of my favorite topics to learn about. You gotta learn from your history right?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 03:42 PM   #12

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It's a very good book. Need to dig my copy up. It's here somewhere.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 04:13 PM   #13
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Received a copy from my in-laws-to-be for a graduation present from college in 1961 and have it to this day. Also have other Shirer books in my collection; all of them I consider very useful.

A juicy tidbit from "Rise and Fall: Hiter was born a bastard son of mother named Schicelgruber (sp?) but later took his father's name Hitler.

Can you imagine Nazi's shouting: "Heil Schicelgruber!"

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Yeah, I've tried sounding that one out and it just doesnt sound quite as intimidating.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 12:57 PM   #14

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Just finished reading it a few days ago. Its as everyone has said..a good read. I had some trouble with all the different generals and their German names,but there were some which read like English. Adam,Hansen,Thomas and Beck were some of those mentioned.

The rise of Hitler was astounding given his background and of course the circumstances at the time after WW1.
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Just finished reading it a few days ago. Its as everyone has said..a good read. I had some trouble with all the different generals and their German names,but there were some which read like English. Adam,Hansen,Thomas and Beck were some of those mentioned.

The rise of Hitler was astounding given his background and of course the circumstances at the time after WW1.
I grew up in Germany, so the names arent really much of an issue to me - I do however see why there might be some issues for people who dont speak the language.

When it comes to the rise of Hitler, the time between WW1 and WW2 really makes sense for someone like him to come to power - Germany was looking for a strong leader.
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I grew up in Germany, so the names arent really much of an issue to me - I do however see why there might be some issues for people who dont speak the language.

When it comes to the rise of Hitler, the time between WW1 and WW2 really makes sense for someone like him to come to power - Germany was looking for a strong leader.
Aye, I agree, the timing was perfect for him and the people were ready for him, given their situation after WW1. It does mention in the Rise and Fall that later they didn't support him. He organized a big march past of the forces but hadly anyone turned out to watch it. He stepped off the balcony from where he was supposed to review the troops and back into the building.

I can never understand why Hitler didn't stop when he was ahead. World domination I suppose. But I saw it as he had restored Germany and German pride and he should have let it got at that. There would have been a lot of lives saved if he had.
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I think the best on the Third Reich. Read it for a college class on same subject.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #18
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I love the Time-Life series of WW2 books from 1980
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I love the Time-Life series of WW2 books from 1980
For coffee-table reading they're fine for those with a short attention span. For substance go with a good book on a chosen subject.

I much prefer a book to TV history accounts. With a book you have time to ponder a thought if you chose while a TV presentation keeps on going to the end.

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To pour some cold water on the matter: The book has never been well received in Germany, especially in academic circles. I would also be astonished if that were different with academics outside of Germany, but one never knows.

Not up to date with current research at the time, bad grasp of German history, and the explanation of the Third Reich out of German history alone without acknowledgment of the concept of totalitarianism - that are some of the main points criticized. I have not read the book, but I get the impression that it is one of those Sonderweg (special path) explanations of the Third Reich, suggesting that a thousand years of German history were nothing but a prelude to the catastrophe.
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