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Old November 26th, 2013, 03:36 AM   #61
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I've never heard of a 'black' calling him crazy.
John Brown was so compassionate about how slaves were treated and wanting to free them that he didn't care about his life for the cause. He overestimated the support for the invasion of the arsenal. In one letter I had found written by a slave saying that the punishment for the slaves involved would be more torture than hanging or a bullet. That along with Brown's plan kept them from uprising. I don't think John Brown was crazy just didn't plan well. He had many white supporters but just didn't believe his plan would work and lacked the compassion Brown had. Even Brown was in doubt. He just couldn't find another way to achieve his passion. Age was a factor and the passing of supporting slavery in Kansas made him do it. Let's face it. There is still a great deal of racism in this country even after 160+ years. Back then slave owners were not punished for their whipping and treatment. Brown believed in an eye for an eye. Killing wasn't the answer but it sure reversed some of the terrorism to the racists back then. Bill
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Old November 7th, 2014, 05:40 PM   #62

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It is still happening today. Look at Africa, Asia, everywhere.



Osama Bin Laden viewed his people/muslims oppresed by Westerners.



Actually while readig up on Brown, I found out this wasn't his first attack, he had helped in the Kansas wars killing pro-slavery people and raiding thier towns. He even set up a guerilla group to defend/hide escaped slaves.



So in my opinion, and others, he is a terrorist, and so I veiw you as supporting a terrorist.


Uh! I really don't like misinformed or ignorant people.

Anyway everyone, here are a list of some movies and articles about John Brown.

John Brown Assessed 150 Years After Harpers Ferry Raid

John Brown's Raid in American Memory

[ame]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1719036[/ame] - John Brown's Raid (1960)

John Brown's Body- The Movie (Trailer)

Santa Fe Trail

Between Men (1935) JOHNNY MACK

The Civil War - Abraham Lincoln and John Brown - Memorial film from 1950's

Abolitionism- From William Llord Garrisson to John Brown

Ken Burns: The Civil War: The Cause - 1861

Here are some articles.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)
www.biography.com/people/john-brown-9228496
John Brown
http://www.biography.com/people/fred...glass-9278324/...

Hope This helps any

By the way Breth, Everyone should have the right to fight for what they believe in, I do not think you have a right to berate someones view of the world or ideals in such a way as you did, it's because of other's ideals that you have your freedom, they fought tooth and nail for it.

If our Founding Fathers had not fought in the American Revolution for our freedom we would still be part of the British colonies and not America, and that war was not won without bloodshed being committed by both sides, are you going to say that the people who fought in that war were terrorists as well!?

Also are you saying that you are pro slavery?

Also, John Brown was fighting for the freedom of many people, Osama Bin Laden was not and the other Historumites are stating their opinions, so let them without coming back with uninformed information or just plain yelling at them and calling them unkind and rude names.

I think you should get your facts straight before you post anything next time.

Thanks.
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Old April 26th, 2016, 04:04 AM   #63
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Our history is definitely not perfect. We have corrupt politicians and military, then and now. I don't think Brown was insane nor evil. He definitely was not greedy or selfish. He risked his family and his life for a cause he believed in. Of course it didn't work out the way he would have liked it to and his method may not have appealed to many? He wasn't a great planner. Hatred of color turned into lynchings. Brown had many rich men help fund his campaign. He had made many trips for speeches in the North about freeing slaves, but not many wanted to help with killing and war. Did his cause help? Probably not much? I think he should be a martyr for many. Wars are fought for many reasons, and people die. Justified or not. We know that from history. I think there is a need for a non bias movie of Brown as a poor child, his travels and friends. He had some powerful friends such as an owner of a railroad. Frederick Douglas was a friend. Just my two cents from this old white guy.
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Old April 26th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #65

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It is still happening today. Look at Africa, Asia, everywhere.



Osama Bin Laden viewed his people/muslims oppresed by Westerners.



Actually while readig up on Brown, I found out this wasn't his first attack, he had helped in the Kansas wars killing pro-slavery people and raiding thier towns. He even set up a guerilla group to defend/hide escaped slaves.



So in my opinion, and others, he is a terrorist, and so I veiw you as supporting a terrorist.
What you miss I think my friend is that Bid Laden was an out and out bigot. Bin Laden was bigoted toward even Muslims.

Unlike Bin Laden...John Browns cause was admirable. There is no comparison between Bin Laden(a con artist who watched porn) and Brown( a Christian who could not stand slavery).

And here is the huge thing. Brown earned the respect of Union soldiers during the civil war. Bin Laden has earned zero respect from US soldiers.
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History has been written by the winner. We will never know the events that had taken place back then except we knew the bigotry was alive and well and still is. Strange how Bin Laden and Hussein were hand picked by our leaders? Thanks for the response. Bill
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From what I can find there are no historical-fiction movies. There are documentaries though. The oldest one is a silent film from 1903 which just shows the area.
Yes. There was at least one. It was a black and white Hollywwod production. Can't recall the name, though. For some reason, I think Ronald Reagan was one of the actors in it, though probably not its main star.

EDIT: Whoever said "Raymond Massey" is right. Massey played John Brown in "Santa Fe Trail" (1940), which had nothing to do with the Santa Fe Trail. Errol Flynn Played Jeb Stuart and Ronald Reagan George Armstrong Custer (!). Olivia De Haviland was the love interest who had nothing to do with John Brown or the Santa Fe Trail either. The climactic scene at the end, if I remember, was the raid on Harper's Ferry. I must have been 17 or 18 when I first saw it on television.

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Old May 2nd, 2016, 07:31 AM   #68
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Rape was rare, but the movies which Hollywood has made make the africans seem to be raped every day, like it was thier job.
Actually, I think rape by white masters of black slaves was extremely common. The reason why very few to none American blacks are "pure black" is because there was so much white rape.
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The comments about Osama Bin Laden are way off base. Osama was a CIA asset with the code name Tim Osmond.
Tim Osmond is the first cousin to Don and Marie Osmond.
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Old May 9th, 2016, 05:27 AM   #70
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Actually, John Brown did spark a revolution. It was called the Civil War. The South was scared to death after Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry Arsenal. They had rumours flying of slave revolts and attacks by abolitionists. This attack helped cement the belief among Southerners that they could never live in peace with the increasingly abolitionist Union, which triggered their sucession. And that sucession triggered the Civil War. John Brown not only gave his own life, but the lifes of several sons, in the abolitionist battle. He certainly wasn't insane. His mistake was in thinking slaves would grab rifles and join in the rebellion, with the seizure of the arsenal at Harper's Ferry. But he found that people who have long been slaves, don't know how to be free men. I think we still see this same phenomonon today with the progeny of former slaves. They want to look up to Uncle Sam for their salvation and support.

The comments about Osama Bin Laden are way off base. Osama was a CIA asset with the code name Tim Osmond. The CIA was still in contact with him right up to 911. Osama had nothing to do with the attacks of 911, as he said on 2 occassions in the first few months after 911. 911 was totally an inside job of the USA military industrial complex, as has been well proven. The CIA released a video of a supposed Osama taking credit for 911, in December of 2001. The actor playing Osama is clearly not the real Osama. Most intelligence experts believe Osama died in late 2001. He was reported to be suffering from kidney failure, and this is the mechanism by which most say he died. It is possible the CIA took him out back then, though, as they wanted to use him as a dupe for 911, and they couldn't have him contiinueing to release statements that he had nothing to do with it.
I agree with Doc about Brown. He had no takers at Harpers Ferry. They didn't show up. Brown was hung for his actions but the black man would have been tortured to death. We will probably never know who really instigated 911 or why? History is written by the winners of war. Brown lost that day and was written in the history books as crazy and evil. I still cannot understand how we have huge problems replacing our occupied countries with Bin Laden's and Hussein's?
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