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Old December 23rd, 2016, 10:57 AM   #11

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Just watched the first episode. I am impressed with the sets and costumes, everything looks amazing. Though part of me wishes they would have an all Italian cast and trust in the intelligence of the viewer to read subtitles.
Still, it's a very interesting subject for a historical drama, especially with how many remarkable figures were around at the time.
I wonder if it will eventually deal with the rise of Savonarola and his takeover of Florence?
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:09 AM   #12

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Just watched the first episode. I am impressed with the sets and costumes, everything looks amazing. Though part of me wishes they would have an all Italian cast and trust in the intelligence of the viewer to read subtitles.
Still, it's a very interesting subject for a historical drama, especially with how many remarkable figures were around at the time.
I wonder if it will eventually deal with the rise of Savonarola and his takeover of Florence?
Am I correct in guessing the Borgia's are contemporarys as well?
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:23 AM   #13

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Am I correct in guessing the Borgia's are contemporarys as well?
You know, I'm not entirely sure. I think at the time of the show Rodrigo might well have been a cardinal - but I can't say for sure.
He would certainly be an interesting character. As in the show, the Medici are clearly suspected of being Jewish by their enemies - which was a common slander against the Borgia family, who they said were converso, Jews merely masquerading as Christians.
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Am I correct in guessing the Borgia's are contemporarys as well?
Martin V (1417-1431) Oddo Colonna was pope (Roman Obedience) at this time - or in the flashback scene where Cosimo meets the as-yet unnamed artist. IIRC, Cardinal Cossa, later anti-pope John XXIII is seen bribing Giovanni de Medici in episode 1 around the same scene as the artist workshop.

Pope Eugenius IV (1431-1447) his successor, named Alfonso de Borja Bishop of Valencia Cardinal in 1444. He would be elected pope as Callixtus III in 1458. His nephew, Rodrigo would be made Cardinal under his papacy, in 1456 at age 25.

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 12:00 PM   #15

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Medici: Masters of Florence is a television drama series about the Medici dynasty, set in 15th century Florence, starring Dustin Hoffman as Giovanni di Bicci de' Medici, Richard Madden as Cosimo de' Medici, and Stuart Martin as Lorenzo de' Medici (The Elder). The series was co-created by Frank Spotnitz (The X-Files and The Man in the High Castle) and Nicholas Meyer (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). Sergio Mimica-Gezzan (The Pillars of the Earth) is set to direct all eight episodes.

Nice list of creators/directors. All highly acclaimed. I'm jazzed to watch this series through.

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The series is set in the 15th century Florence, the protagonist is Cosimo the Elder, who was elected head of the Florentine Republic in 1434. Cosimo has inherited the Bank of Medici from his father Giovanni, who has been mysteriously poisoned. Through various flashbacks (20 years ago), we are introduced to a Florence at the time of Giovanni and his relationship with his sons, Cosimo and Lorenzo.
Ah! flashbacks. So at the time of Giovanni's mysterious death (in the show), Cosimo is actually 40 years old, married to the Florentine noblewoman Contessina di Bardi, and has a teenage son Piero (later known as Piero the Gouty, father of the famous Lorenzo (the Magnificent) de Medici.

If you haven't guessed, I love this time period.
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I'm about half-way through this series and really enjoying it.

The last episode I watched showed Cosimo being jailed. In the show, Albizzi and his allies are using the plague (as punishment for his sins) as a pretext to remove Cosimo from power. Rinaldo also charges Cosimo with complicity in the murders of the apothecary and physician. Historically, though Giovanni's death may have been mysterious, there was no probe done by the Medici to find a responsible party (that I can recall). The powerful Albizzi clan, specifically Rinaldo, accused him of nothing less than trying to overthrow the government of Florence itself.

This is great TV.

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Old December 30th, 2016, 01:00 PM   #17

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List of good Cosimo de Medici-era Florence history:

Florence and the Medici (JR Hale)
Florence in the Time of the Medici (ER Chamberlain)
House of Medici; it's Rise and Fall (C Hibbert)
Cosimo de’ Medici and the Florentine Renaissance: The Patron’s Oeuvre (D Kent)
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Very enjoyable series.
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Actually I've appreciated this series. When an Italian historical event, family, phenomenon, process ... becomes international because of media necessities, there is the risk that the international version "pollutes" the Italian genuine original nature.

This time ... that's "Italian" [well ... Florentine!]. Dustin Hoffman is great, we know that, but this time he has done something more: to look Florentine for real [even if his real name sounds "Dustin", not Giacomo or Fabio or Lorenzo].
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Just watched the first episode. I am impressed with the sets and costumes, everything looks amazing. Though part of me wishes they would have an all Italian cast and trust in the intelligence of the viewer to read subtitles.
Still, it's a very interesting subject for a historical drama, especially with how many remarkable figures were around at the time.
I wonder if it will eventually deal with the rise of Savonarola and his takeover of Florence?
I liked Savonarola's character in the showtime series Borgia.

As for Masters of Florence...this show has a wide array of characters. The first episode shows a few Catholic Bishops/Cardinals whom are your typical money first religion later type of character. At the same time their are more serious Catholics who are offended by luxury, bribery, corruption. The set pieces and wardrobe are very impressive...I dont believe the series was given a huge budget otherwise we would see massive battle scenes. But for the set pieces we do see, I felt the production team did a good job.
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