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Old October 31st, 2017, 06:53 AM   #1

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Anyone watch last night's finale? Anyone know when it's coming back?

Am really digging this show. You could argue it's 'history' as its set in NYC in the early 70s. Didn't realize the 'deuce' was a nickname for the sex shop, prostitution ridden area around Times Square.

Never been a big fan of James Franco, but he does a really nice job. So does Maggie Gyllenhaal as the whore with a heart.

What inspired me to watch was that it is written by David Simon, the same writer that did 'The Wire.' What Simon did for Baltimore in The Wire, he seems to be doing for Manhattan in The Deuce. A very gritty, realistic, unflattering view at the underbelly of America's inner cities.
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Old October 31st, 2017, 07:00 AM   #2

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I didn't know last night was the finale. I actually only watched half of it.


Agreed on Franco. He's never really been one of my favorites. But with this series, he's redeemed himself, imo.

And also agree on Simon's writing and the Wire. It's good stuff.

Supposedly he's working on something about the Spanish Civil War.
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Already commissioned for a second series
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Old October 31st, 2017, 07:10 AM   #4

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Interesting news about Simon doing something on the Spanish Civil War. Seems a bit outside his area. What inspired me to start watching The Wire was hearing him on an NPR interview. He started out as a Baltimore Sun reporter. That's where he got all of the inside dirt on the police, gangs, politicians, etc. for the show.

In The Wire the Baltimore cops were not depicted as corrupt, but that's not the case in The Deuce. Interesting how the cops seem to be as bad as mafia taking payoff money. Did you notice that actor that played DiAngelo Barksdale in The Wire is now the good cop in The Deuce?

Love the actor that is playing the Gambino mob chief, Rudy, in the show. You know he's involved in all sorts of crime, but he's such a likable character.

Just read that it's been renewed for another season. Woohoo!
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Just in case I have to say it....

*****SPOILERS*****







I just finished it.

There's a scene towards the end, where the Captain asks the black cop aka D'Angelo, he'll always be D'Angelo to me, where he wants to end up. D' answers that he wants to be a detective. I found that scene reminiscent of the end of Season 1 of The Wire, where Major Rawls tells McNulty that he wants to see him land okay, knowing full well, where McNulty DOESN'T want to end up. McNulty knew then that he was getting the shaft.

I also wonder if Simon was telling us the same message about prostitution as he was about drugs? Keeping these things illegal, keeping it on the street, makes it worse. But, once you bring things indoors, once you "legalize," it, clean it up, regulate it a bit, it becomes safer. Ruby being murdered in the end really made me think that Simon was trying to drive that point home. But maybe I'm misunderstanding or inferring incorrectly.

A good first season. I can't wait for the next one.
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Just in case I have to say it....

*****SPOILERS*****

I just finished it.

There's a scene towards the end, where the Captain asks the black cop aka D'Angelo, he'll always be D'Angelo to me, where he wants to end up. D' answers that he wants to be a detective. I found that scene reminiscent of the end of Season 1 of The Wire, where Major Rawls tells McNulty that he wants to see him land okay, knowing full well, where McNulty DOESN'T want to end up. McNulty knew then that he was getting the shaft.

I also wonder if Simon was telling us the same message about prostitution as he was about drugs? Keeping these things illegal, keeping it on the street, makes it worse. But, once you bring things indoors, once you "legalize," it, clean it up, regulate it a bit, it becomes safer. Ruby being murdered in the end really made me think that Simon was trying to drive that point home. But maybe I'm misunderstanding or inferring incorrectly.

A good first season. I can't wait for the next one.
You bring up a LOT of good points that I hadn't considered.

You're probably right, even though the Captain says he wants to clean up the department, D' is probably about to get screwed, the same as McNulty. That's typical TV drama. No 'good cop' ever gets rewarded in the movies, they only ever get the shaft. It adds to the conflict.

Good points about drugs vs. prostitution. Could very well be Simon's hidden message beneath the surface.
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Not Mussolini then
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You bring up a LOT of good points that I hadn't considered.

You're probably right, even though the Captain says he wants to clean up the department, D' is probably about to get screwed, the same as McNulty. That's typical TV drama. No 'good cop' ever gets rewarded in the movies, they only ever get the shaft. It adds to the conflict.

Good points about drugs vs. prostitution. Could very well be Simon's hidden message beneath the surface.
I agree with you, but I just want to add that McNulty wasn't exactly what I would call a team player.

Deuce cop heeds his captain's advice, he keeps it in-house. I don't think for a second Mcnutty would have played it that way. No, that Jameson drinking, bushy headed detective would have blasted the whole thing wide open.
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I thought this was pretty good. I got a bit annoyed with The Wire near the end when I thought it became too idealistic(the stuff in the school about underfunded programmes for troubled kids). I understand this show is made by the same guy. You can see the similarities. I really, really hate shows with a social message. The Deuce and The Wire though seem superior than most of these social commentary shows; in general not as in your face with the "message".
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