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Old December 7th, 2017, 05:40 AM   #31

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Guys, it's just a movie! There's no need to take it so seriously. The purpose of movies is to entertain, not educate, so they need to be made unrealistically. If a movie is made too realistically, people won't pay money to see it because it won't be entertaining. In the end, that's what it's all about, right? Making money. Since the Last Samurai made money, it's a success.
I agree with Jake, take it easy.
After all these blame can bee seen as much ado about nothing, eh?'
This is not a documentary Historic film produced by Standford University but an Entertainment movie produced by Hollywood.
However thanks to this film, I still learned the existence of this episode of Japanese History and even if it's in a biased version, I had a rather pleasant time in a movie.
I'm sure that it was not a torture for most of you too, eh?'
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Old December 7th, 2017, 06:38 AM   #32

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Guess how weary I am of Hollywood shoving ethnic casting into our face, like in The Hobbit, Thor or Disney's Star Wars. If we are going to go multicultural, then it is only fair that it goes both ways.

Personally, I would rather like to see every tradition keeping its own narrative, though, instead of drowning everything into one big globalist hodgepodge.
That's a false analogy. Casting Keanu Reeves in 47 Ronin is like casting an Asian guy in 300, and have the storyline revolve around how the Asian guy needed to win the respect of the rest of the 299 Spartans, because the rest of the 299 Spartans were racist against Asians. If you do that then call the movie something else because it's not 300 anymore. It's not what the 300 story's about, and by the same logic racism isn't what the story of the 47 ronin is about. You can have nonwhites in Star Wars, you got freaking aliens in Star Wars. Star Wars is about a tolerant Republic/Jedi versus racist Imperials/Sith. Having nonwhites fit the setting. Even introducing racism as a plotline would fit the setting. If you feel entitled for a full-white ensemble in Star Wars, then I suppose you'll be the one going 'rebel-scum' in real life.

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Old December 7th, 2017, 06:41 AM   #33

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I'm fairly sure a large dino-chicken made it "not the 47 Ronin", never mind Keanu Reeves.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 07:54 AM   #34
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That's a false analogy. Casting Keanu Reeves in 47 Ronin is like casting an Asian guy in 300...
I didn't refer to Ronin which I haven't even seen nor did I mention 300 at all.

In Disney's Star Wars the share of ethnic actors was greatly increased compared to the original series without any rationale or visible benefit to the story line.

But then again this franchise has nothing to do the real Star Wars anyway which ended when George Lucas left the helm.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 09:02 AM   #35

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I didn't refer to Ronin which I haven't even seen nor did I mention 300 at all.

In Disney's Star Wars the share of ethnic actors was greatly increased compared to the original series without any rationale or visible benefit to the story line.

But then again this franchise has nothing to do the real Star Wars anyway which ended when George Lucas left the helm.
That's a bit unfair, isn't it?
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Old December 7th, 2017, 09:21 AM   #36

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I didn't refer to Ronin which I haven't even seen nor did I mention 300 at all.

In Disney's Star Wars the share of ethnic actors was greatly increased compared to the original series without any rationale or visible benefit to the story line.

But then again this franchise has nothing to do the real Star Wars anyway which ended when George Lucas left the helm.
Why does the presence of non-white actors in Sci Fi film even need to be rationalized or explained? Do we need to rationalize or explain the presence of white characters in Sci Fi? If not, then why do we need to do that with minorities?
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I didn't refer to Ronin which I haven't even seen nor did I mention 300 at all.

In Disney's Star Wars the share of ethnic actors was greatly increased compared to the original series without any rationale or visible benefit to the story line.

But then again this franchise has nothing to do the real Star Wars anyway which ended when George Lucas left the helm.
You said that if we are going multicultural, then it's only fair that it goes both ways. 47 Ronin is an example about how it's not going both ways. 300 is used as an example of what it would look like if the writers did to 300 what they did to 47 Ronin.

On the other hand, the Star Wats setting is supposed to be diverse. And they didn't make Finn's ethnicity as its own plotline.

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Old December 7th, 2017, 09:27 AM   #38

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That's a bit unfair, isn't it?
Agreed. With today's racial, ethnic and religious divisions, a little inclusion and multiculturalism is a good thing, particularly in a galaxy far, far, away.

On the other hand, shoving Keanu into 47 Ronin and Cruise into the Last Samurai strikes me as a Hollywood device to increase the box office and their profits in movies supposedly about Japan.
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Today's movies are made in corporate boardrooms, with long check lists. They are tested in front of audiences and modified to assure mass appeal to maximize profits. Tom's part in Last Samurai would've been played by a pumpkin pie if producers though it would result in bigger box office success. Hollywood never cared about historical accuracy, and frankly, I'm surprised to still see people whining about it.

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I'm fairly sure a large dino-chicken made it "not the 47 Ronin", never mind Keanu Reeves.
The large dino-chicken is what made the story not historically accurate, but things like this is what I call a re-imagining of the story, like how the Japanese retold the Count of Monte Cristo as a story set in the future. Keanu is what turned a story about loyalty/revenge into a story about racism.

We've put King Auther into a fantasy setting, and we've put Sherlock Holmes into a modern setting, but I don't think this kills the spirit of the story. But if you make a chick flick and call it Sherlock Holmes, then that's just darn confusing.

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