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Old December 5th, 2017, 11:03 AM   #1

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The Last Samurai is not only stupid, it is unwatchable


I honestly can't watch The Last Samurai anymore. It's not just that its plot is astronomically stupid, it is also so obscene just from a historical point of view that the fact that it was even nominated at the Oscars should bring shame to the US film academy.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #2

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Awful movie. Not only is a it a white savior film in a way that is rapidly becoming unacceptable, but it also manages to be racist against whites. Tom Crusie is world-weary because he has seen too much of the brutatily of war, so he goes to Japan and falls in love with a bunch of warriors. So killing is all right if you are Asian, but not so much if you are white? Unless you are a white who fights with Asians?

Morally confused and just plain dumb.

At Nagashino, Samurai were mowed down charging into arquebuse fire, but in this one, they are chargning into modern weaponry?

He can fight off a bunch of Samurai and kill one, but then he needs Samurai training?

Finally, Tom Cruise is an effeminate, four foot tall brick stupid pretty boy, and the idea of him taking on Samurai is laughable.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 01:13 PM   #3

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Finally, Tom Cruise is an effeminate, four foot tall brick stupid pretty boy, and the idea of him taking on Samurai is laughable.
He is always six-feet tall in his movies--Nicole Kidman is 1M80--5ft 9in without shoes and he always seemed to be taller than her.
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At Nagashino, Samurai were mowed down charging into arquebuse fire, but in this one, they are chargning into modern weaponry?
That particular bit is based on real events during the battle of Shiroyama, during the Satsuma Rebellion. However, the final charge of the sword wielding samurai happened after they had completely run out of ammunition for their guns - with nothing else left, they drew their swords, charged, and were slaughtered.

I haven't watched it. But I believe there are ninjas.

In fact, the Last Samurai was probably French, not American.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 01:29 PM   #5

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I honestly can't watch The Last Samurai anymore. It's not just that its plot is astronomically stupid, it is also so obscene just from a historical point of view that the fact that it was even nominated at the Oscars should bring shame to the US film academy.
Perhaps but Koyuki is so fine to look at.

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Old December 5th, 2017, 02:13 PM   #6

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Awful movie. Not only is a it a white savior film in a way that is rapidly becoming unacceptable, but it also manages to be racist against whites. Tom Crusie is world-weary because he has seen too much of the brutatily of war, so he goes to Japan and falls in love with a bunch of warriors. So killing is all right if you are Asian, but not so much if you are white? Unless you are a white who fights with Asians?

Morally confused and just plain dumb.

At Nagashino, Samurai were mowed down charging into arquebuse fire, but in this one, they are chargning into modern weaponry?

He can fight off a bunch of Samurai and kill one, but then he needs Samurai training?

Finally, Tom Cruise is an effeminate, four foot tall brick stupid pretty boy, and the idea of him taking on Samurai is laughable.
In the movie Tom Cruise would have nightmares of killing hapless Indians, whereas in Japan he was fighting against people who can and did fight back, there's a difference.
Albeit historically Samurai could be pretty brutal too.

But yeah, in the beginning he was killing samurai left and right, but after he got captured it seems like he had no skills whatsoever. It doesn't make sense.
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In the movie Tom Cruise would have nightmares of killing hapless Indians, whereas in Japan he was fighting against people who can and did fight back, there's a difference.
Albeit historically Samurai could be pretty brutal too.

But yeah, in the beginning he was killing samurai left and right, but after he got captured it seems like he had no skills whatsoever. It doesn't make sense.
I noted that "jump".

I had occasion to watch that movie.

The first part is not that bad [until Tom is a Western tough officer], the rest of the movie is absolutely fantastic. Starting from when Tom is able to face Samurai using a spear he doesn't know [US officers of that time weren't intended to know how to handle that kind of spear in combat ...] and overall Samurai forgot how to face a man handling a spear in a very odd way!

In any case, the movie wasn't expected to be historically accurate, it was an emotional adventure, typical for Hollywood.

Japanese authorities needed something to control the country despite the presence of Samurai ... Americans brought machine guns ... nothing romantic, nothing epic ... just technology: good bye Samurai.

P.S. May be I remember wrong, but I haven't noted Ninjas in the movie.
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When it comes to historical accuracy, I could write a book on where the movie is lacking. I was speaking in terms of whether the plot-line in and of itself makes sense. The whole "samurai fighting for traditional values" thing also don't sit well with me. Exactly HOW did rebelling instill traditional values in any way, what are these traditional values, how are they supposed to be good for Japan? And if the emperor at the end could be so easily persuaded by a one line slogan from a stranger, then what's the point of rebelling? There is no depth to the story.

Ninjas was the best part of the movie, lol. Not accurate, but fun to watch.

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When it comes to historical accuracy, I could write a book on where the movie is lacking. I was speaking in terms of whether the plot-line in and of itself makes sense. The whole "samurai fighting for traditional values" thing also don't sit well with me. Exactly HOW did rebelling instill traditional values in any way, what are these traditional values, how are they supposed to be good for Japan? And if the emperor at the end could be so easily persuaded by a one line slogan from a stranger, then what's the point of rebelling? There is no depth to the story.

Ninjas was the best part of the movie, lol. Not accurate, but fun to watch.
The traditional values that the samurai were fighting for during the Satsuma Rebellion was basically the right for the samurai to be the bosses.
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Yeah, but in the movie you'd think they would add something more so the audience has something to root for.
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