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Old November 17th, 2012, 08:42 AM   #11

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...Surprisingly; it was a pretty young, largely teen crowd on date night, what I would expect to see at Skyfall or whatever Twilight movie is out now. The rest of the movies in the building didn't have such a line.
Now THAT'S encouraging news!!
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Old November 17th, 2012, 08:44 AM   #12

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If you think you would like it, it's only 9 bucks or whatever you pay, no need to wait more than a week or so. I was surprised, though, when I got to my local cineplex a half hour early to find it sold out. We got tickets to the other screen that was showing it a half hour later and that one sold out too by the time it started. Surprisingly; it was a pretty young, largely teen crowd on date night, what I would expect to see at Skyfall or whatever Twilight movie is out now. The rest of the movies in the building didn't have such a line.

I liked The Conspirator, but this is a much bigger movie.
I don't like rushing to see any movie, not just this one. Very few times
have I gone in an opening week of a flick. Just a cute quirk of mine.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 10:26 AM   #13

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As a history geek and a movie geek, this was quite a moment. Finally a fully fleshed out movie about Lincoln. I can't imagine an actor wanting to take on such an iconic character, a person who has had so much written about him. If anybody was going to do it, Daniel Day Lewis might be the one. A few observations ---

The whole cast is excellent. Lewis seems like a certain Oscar winner IMO. Other icons of the era, including David Strathairn as Seward, Bruce McGill as Edwin Stanton, Sally Field as the high-strung Mary Lincoln and a special note for Tommy Lee Jones as the eccentric, crusty, bewigged and profane abolitionist Thaddeus Stevens; these characters are all writ large.

The movie is very talky, only a few, short, bloody scenes of battle and its aftermath. Lincoln and his debates with his staff and the epic debate in the House over ratification of the 13th Amendment that freed the slaves have about equal time. At 2 1/2 hours, it's not a short movie, but it is intellectually dense and very much condensed. There's enough content to make a 10 hour movie.

To fully appreciate this movie, it's helpful to NOT go in ignorant. The dialog doesn't suffer idiots or the historically uninformed. These guys were living with epic issues in a historic time where the way forward was anything but clear. Big issues are flying around for the whole 2 1/2 hours.

The movie hints at, but doesn't do much with Lincoln's well documented depressions, but it does definitely illustrate the physical effect of the stress of the war on the man.

The movie stays pretty close to history, so I don't have to tell you what Lincoln's fate is at the end. The finale is very reverent and it's obvious that Speilberg treated this story with high respect. There are light moments (especially the back-room arm twisting by Lincoln's political operatives getting votes in the House), but you can't avoid getting the feeling that he knew he had a responsibility to do it right and really tell the story.

My one reservation about authenticity... as a Chesapeake Bay person…there's a scene where crabs are being eaten and it's obvious that whoever shot that scene has not the slightest idea how to pick a crab.

I'll have to see this one again.
I liked this movie. I wasn't sure about an Englishmen playing Grant when you could tell his accent was not fully gone. I liked the procedures of passing the amendment and the politics behind it. I liked Thaddeus Stevens and how he talked. It was also interesting to see Lincoln as a parent, especially when he was having that discussion about his son joining the military outside the military hospital.
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Both aspects of the reveal at the end were so in keeping with his character. The real Stevens had a club foot and had suffered from a disease that made him bald. He was such a grouch, however, that he resented his wig and had it trimmed to the same length all the way around so he didn't have to pay attention to how he put it on.

As for his partner, I don't know if a fact about a 150 year old historic figure is exactly a spoiler, but suffice to say..it was true. Anybody who reads up on the characters before seeing the movie will know what to expect. It added a light touch to all of the tragedy and a parting dimension to the character.
I've read books on Stevens before... I just didn't think they'd tackle that as many historians still see that aspect of his life as speculation.
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I thought the movie was terrible. Focusing on the 13th Amendment did make it too procedural.

It wasn't the kind of drama I was expecting, at all.

The performances were all great. It was historically sound, as far as I could tell. But it wasn't entertaining.

Of all the drama that came from the Civil War, Lincoln personally, and then how he handled the Presidency. So much potential. This movie failed to capture any of that. There were a lot of historical subtleties in the film. Much was hinted at rather than explained. I would venture a guess that most people watching this would have no idea what was going on in parts. Consequently, little is probably gained from this movie. Doris Kearns Goodwin's book was compelling and even had elements of drama in it. This movie did not.

Maybe my expectations were too high. I thought of Spielberg past work, the actors....this seemed like a definite Oscar contender. I thought that was the level this movie would be on. But it wasn't that at all.

The audience at the theater wasn't young at all. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was the youngest person there (30). It looked like a local nursing home had taken a bus to see this. Some of them probably voted for Lincoln. I didn't have any problem with that, just pointing out that there weren't any young people in the audience where I was at.

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Old November 17th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #16

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Lincoln is doing well at the theater.


Historically this hasn't been true.


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Old November 17th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #17

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Thanks for your honest review Robespierre.
Much like "The Conspirator", a slick and barrage campaign net,
entangles a lot of people into seeing it. That's what movies do.
This one is so hyped by who the director is that a lot of people
are just afraid to say he might have made a dud,
ex."Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull".
I see the movie having a nice solid opening week, then die
a quick death as word of mouth will blow away the sparkle dust.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #18

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I don't like rushing to see any movie, not just this one. Very few times
have I gone in an opening week of a flick. Just a cute quirk of mine.
I rarely go to theaters, period. And I'll wait for the DVD on this one. The last movie I went to see on opening was Apocalypto, which I enjoyed.
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I rarely go to theaters, period. And I'll wait for the DVD on this one. The last movie I went to see on opening was Apocalypto, which I enjoyed.
Same here. I think I went to the movies about a year ago & don't recall the flick.
I do most of my watching on Netflix or DVD.
Apocalypto indeed was a very good flick .
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There's no substitute for seeing almost any movie on film on the big screen. Audience reaction is part of the experience.
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