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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #41

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Of course....facts do not matter, but the bright light of imagery trumps everything.
Movie studios have to make movies that draw audiences into a story that has images and terse speech. Lincoln was a big challenge since he wasn't an action hero and much of his fame rests on his subtle use of language and non-bombastic speech. He could not be accurately portrayed with a booming Gregory Peck voice, like some sort of Moses.

Most of the imagery was confined to views that looked a lot like the old B&W's we have seen so many times. Sacrifices in historical accuracy are needed for continuity and to make a story that can be told from beginning to end in 2 hours or so. Lincoln was about as factually correct as any flick I have seen in years. The only movie I can think of that came closer might have been The Conspirators (an unintentional sequel to Lincoln), which sacrificed everything to stay close to the story and made no money.

I was surprised to find that, in my local cineplex, the show I arrived at a half hour early was already sold out and the next one (I got in) was also sold out. The audience was mostly date night teens who were a surprisingly well behaved group. Even they were impressed. You don't get much better than that in a movie theater.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #42

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I was surprised to find that, in my local cineplex, the show I arrived at a half hour early was already sold out and the next one (I got in) was also sold out. The audience was mostly date night teens who were a surprisingly well behaved group. Even they were impressed. You don't get much better than that in a movie theater.
I saw it in North Carolina the day before Thanksgiving at the matinee showing. We got there after the previews started, so I didn't get a good look at the crowd. But the theater appeared about 3/4s full and what I did see of the crowd seemed pretty normal demographically.

The day after Thanksgiving we went back to see another matinee movie, and both it and Lincoln were sold out.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #43

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I saw this last night and loved it. There were a few moments where it seemed a bit too reverent toward Lincoln, but only a few. The writing was amazing. Especially loved Tommy Lee Jones as Stevens and Sally Field as Mary - her confrontation with Stevens and fight with Lincoln, in particular - but all the performances were terrific. It seems like everyone in Hollywood was involved in this film!
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Old November 30th, 2012, 05:26 PM   #44

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Also saw it last night. I heartily recommend the film to anyone who likes history. Amazingly accurate for a historical film, and well-acted all round.
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A very good movie, although I thought Sally Field looked ancient and her acting was over the top.
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A very good movie, although I thought Sally Field looked ancient and her acting was over the top.
Mary Lincoln was well-known for her emotional outbursts, mood swings, and temper. Sally Field was not over the top, she may have actually downplayed her character's emotional instability.
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I have finally watched the movie myself, and for the most part, I have nothing but good things to say about it. Daniel Day Lewis captured the personality of Lincoln better than anyone ever has on screen, in my opinion. Most of the flaws I could point at would be trivialities. The cast was very strong. I really enjoyed Tommy Lee Jones as Stevens, but the character of Stevens in the movie was one-dimensional compared to the real Stevens, who was a masterful politician who didn't need to use personal attacks to make his opponents look like idiots. Some of the tension between Stevens and Lincoln might have been a bit overdone; Stevens had not yet developed his vision for reconstruction, and Lincoln agreed with the radicals more often than not, though the radicals sometimes trivialized the difficulties of Lincoln's position. David Straitharn was an excellent Seward in my opinion. As another minor point, Lincoln's cabinet really didn't need convincing about the 13th Amendment; the so-called Team of Rivals was a Team of Loyalists by this point in time.

I suppose I'm sort of obliged to comment on Grant in the movie. First of all, he was minor in the film, so I don't think it's a big issue either way. I was glad they avoided the trap of having him speak in a murmur or even a slur, as the real Grant did indeed possess a very clear voice. I thought the portrayal of his interaction with the Confederate delegates was a bit off, as was the somewhat forward manner in which Grant seemed to be advising Lincoln. Grant wouldn't hesitate to give his opinion if asked, but he was well aware of Lincoln's own political difficulties, and he understood he himself had no authority to negotiate with the delegates or set conditions.

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Thanks for your honest review Robespierre.
Much like "The Conspirator", a slick and barrage campaign net,
entangles a lot of people into seeing it. That's what movies do.
This one is so hyped by who the director is that a lot of people
are just afraid to say he might have made a dud,
ex."Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull".
I see the movie having a nice solid opening week, then die
a quick death as word of mouth will blow away the sparkle dust.
The only thing cuter than predictions that come true, are those that don't.

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Mary Lincoln was well-known for her emotional outbursts, mood swings, and temper. Sally Field was not over the top, she may have actually downplayed her character's emotional instability.
I had that impression too. From what I have read, Mary really went on wild rants and epic crying jags. My guess is that since the movie was about Abe, letting Sally Field take the emotion to 11 would have overshadowed the focal point of the movie.
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Some of the tension between Stevens and Lincoln might have been a bit overdone; Stevens had not yet developed his vision for reconstruction, and Lincoln agreed with the radicals more often than not, though the radicals sometimes trivialized the difficulties of Lincoln's position. David Straitharn was an excellent Seward in my opinion. As another minor point, Lincoln's cabinet really didn't need convincing about the 13th Amendment; the so-called Team of Rivals was a Team of Loyalists by this point in time.
Since the movie focused on such a short time span, I think they carried some of the early Cabinet tensions forward as a way of acknowledging they existed. In the same way, I think they carried the different visions for reconstruction backward in time to acknowledge there were significantly different views.

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I thought the portrayal of his interaction with the Confederate delegates was a bit off, as was the somewhat forward manner in which Grant seemed to be advising Lincoln. Grant wouldn't hesitate to give his opinion if asked, but he was well aware of Lincoln's own political difficulties, and he understood he himself had no authority to negotiate with the delegates or set conditions.
If this is correct, Lincoln went to Hampton Roads in direct response to Grant's request.

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Agreed. The New Critics Film Circle has already awarded Best Actor, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Screenplay.
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Since the movie focused on such a short time span, I think they carried some of the early Cabinet tensions forward as a way of acknowledging they existed. In the same way, I think they carried the different visions for reconstruction backward in time to acknowledge there were significantly different views.



If this is correct, Lincoln went to Hampton Roads in direct response to Grant's request.



Agreed. The New Critics Film Circle has already awarded Best Actor, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Screenplay.
That does look correct, but note the date; after the time-frame of the Thirteenth Amendment debate. I could be wrong, but I was not under the impression that Grant advised Lincoln to bring the secession delegates to Washington.
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