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Old March 16th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #41

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What's wrong with the series historically? I saw the first two episodes and didn't see anything "unhistorical", besides the disputed sunstone and wood board way of navigation.
In the first episode vikings were going to sack RUSSIA! In the end of VIII century!!!
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In the first episode vikings were going to sack RUSSIA! In the end of VIII century!!!
Using that non-existant at the time name is the same as the fact they all speak english - it's done so the majority of people would understand. If you want a perfectly real series it would have to also be in the original language the vikings spoke - how come this does not get your attention but the fact they said "Russia" so that most people would know where they are talking about, did?
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Using that non-existant at the time name is the same as the fact they all speak english - it's done so the majority of people would understand. If you want a perfectly real series it would have to also be in the original language the vikings spoke - how come this does not get your attention but the fact they said "Russia" so that most people would know where they are talking about, did?
Then these Vikings must use GPS devices during sailing in England (one more unauthentic name) to make people easy to understand how they could reach Britain through mid-ocean.
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When did they say Russia? In the English version it just said "Eastern Baltic" or something like that.
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This radio show/podcast is more serious and academic for those who're interested.

"With:

James Montgomery
Professor of Classical Arabic at the University of Cambridge

Neil Price
Professor of Archaeology at the University of Aberdeen

Elizabeth Rowe
Lecturer in Scandinavian History of the Viking Age at Clare Hall, University of Cambridge"



BBC Radio 4 - In Our Time, The Volga Vikings

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The character of St James's Park this morning was entirely dominated by the dead leaves, falling listlessly like huge brown snowflakes but mostly wet on the ground, ripe for skidding. And so with a certain melancholy peace of mind I went into the Lords to meet one extremely friendly lordship who said: "After listening to your programme this morning the first thing I want to do is to reintroduce ritual chieftain burials in this country. We could start with celebrities."

The Muslim commentators did hit on some violent practices. They themselves, of course, were obsessed with ritual purity, with washing, often several times a day, and these Vikings, with their lack of lavatorial education and practices, which I mention only for the sake of passing on what was told to me after the programme, must have horrified these educated Arabic scholars.

It seems that in the morning the women, who shared the same hut as the men (the women were often slaves and were shared between the men who, according to Professor Montgomery, bonded through sharing their women), would bring out a bowl of water and go round the menfolk who, in the same bowl, would wash, spit and pee. They bonded through their effluvia. Sorry about that, but there is much worse that I will not pass on.

The women were under-represented in the talk on the programme. By the women I mean the wives. They often fought alongside their men in war and remains have been found of them in full armour. In Scandinavia women could take over the throne. They were also the walking safes of their husbands' wealth. The typical silver necklace of a warrior's wife would be worth two hundred times what a tradesman in Baghdad would earn in a year.

I think I mentioned a wonderful sermon preached by the Patriarch Photios of Constantinople in 860. He preached this after an attack on Constantinople by the Vikings, or Rus. He marvelled at how they had turned into a warlike people. "An obscure nation, a nation of no account, a nation ranked among slaves, unknown, but which has won a name from the expedition against us, insignificant, but now become famous, humble and destitute, but now risen to a splendid height and immense wealth, a nation dwelling somewhere far from our country, barbarous, nomadic, armed with arrogance, unwatched, unchallenged, leaderless, has so suddenly, in the twinkling of an eye, like a wave of the sea, poured over our frontiers, and as a wild boar has devoured the inhabitants of the land like grass or straw or a crop..." If that is given the right Churchillian intonation, it seems to me it comes very near out-Churchilling Churchill.

I got a tremendous letter about unicorn remains being found in Deia in Mallorca. Really. Honestly. I think I've said enough in this newsletter, but if anybody's interested I'll come back to this. This can be checked up in the museum in Deia. It is weirdly convincing.

These may be washed up bones, from a flash flood, of creatures seen by passing sailors in the Mediterranean and thus entering mythology from a root of truth.

So, pickled onions with lunch and a trip to oblige a friend and speak in a school, and then to a curious evening. Dinner in a London restaurant, which then turns into a theatre for a short play by Ronnie Harwood.
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Between the 8th and the 10th centuries AD, fierce Scandinavian warriors raided and then settled large swathes of Europe, particularly Britain, Ireland and parts of northern France. These were the Vikings, and their story is well known today. Far fewer people realise that groups of Norsemen also travelled east.

These Volga Vikings, also known as the Rus, crossed the Baltic into present-day Russia and the Ukraine and founded settlements there. They traded commodities including furs and slaves for Islamic silver, and penetrated so far east as to reach Baghdad. Their activities were documented by Arab scholars: one, Ahmad ibn Fadlan, recorded that the Volga Vikings he met were perfect physical specimens but also "the filthiest of God's creatures". Through trade and culture they brought West and East into regular contact; their story sheds light on both Scandinavian and early Islamic history.

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Then these Vikings must use GPS devices during sailing in England (one more unauthentic name) to make people easy to understand how they could reach Britain through mid-ocean.
Countering an argument with an extreme. Doesn't really leave much space for debate. You know very well what i mean and just as well that there is a huge difference between using a simple name and putting a 21st century technology. You'r not a kid to argue like that.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #47

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After the first episode I was on the fence but now that I have seen two episodes, I have to say that this show is pretty good. Not in the same levels as what HBO has given us (Wire, Game of Thrones etc) but nowhere near the Hollywood heights horror some people might have feared.

Man, those vikings were pretty brutal. Loving also the weird shipmaker dude.
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Couldn't get past the first 15 minutes. Seems like the History Channel's answer to Sons of Anarchy/Spartacus/Game of Thrones. The first 15 minutes were nearly straight violence, I don't have a problem with violence. It's just now that is the only thing that grabs anyone's attention, it's all just so dumbed down. I personally like a little bit of foreplay, some ambience, a slow build-up. I'm not just knocking the Hist Chnl, but every network now seems to be generic. There's a logging show now on every other channel, survival show, reality t.v., Honey boo-boo etc.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 12:39 PM   #49

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I am loving it. I especially love the interactions with the British so far. In the third episode, the sheriff attempting to talk to them, and keep everyone calm. It strikes me with some of the uncertainty and emotion two people suddenly meeting would be like.


I too really like the ship builder as well.
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Couldn't get past the first 15 minutes. Seems like the History Channel's answer to Sons of Anarchy/Spartacus/Game of Thrones. The first 15 minutes were nearly straight violence, I don't have a problem with violence. It's just now that is the only thing that grabs anyone's attention, it's all just so dumbed down. I personally like a little bit of foreplay, some ambience, a slow build-up. I'm not just knocking the Hist Chnl, but every network now seems to be generic. There's a logging show now on every other channel, survival show, reality t.v., Honey boo-boo etc.
Duuuude, please check your wrong opinion. It has a great ambience, awesome cinematography and long lingering shots. Only thing that gets it from rising to hbo awesomeness is the dialogue. I urge you try to at least watch 2 episodes before condemning the series. C.S.I this show certainly ain't, praise Wotan for that.
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