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Old January 8th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #11

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i don't like films that deliberately take out a vital piece of information and make the viewer to find out that piece of info from 3rd party sources
Ok then, I get your point.
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I'm ashamed of my self. I still haven't seen it...
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I'm ashamed of my self. I still haven't seen it...
Read the book first Then it will make sense.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #14

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There's a book! Dang it, I'm done for...
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Old January 8th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #15

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Apparently the film alone is very confusing. I read the book before I saw it, so I'm not sure tbh. A long time ago as well
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it's impossible to understand movie without this vital information. whoever claims the opposite is a poser or he just constructed his own view of the things which possibly cannot explain the whole film. **** you kubrick!
I didn't understand the movie I have to say. But the gravity-less ballet is very languid and beautiful.
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For it's time "Odessey" was a masterpiece so view it that perspective. It's one of the great classics of sci fi IMO as it appeared in the wide-screen format with surround-sound, new for the time which only enhanced viewing it..

"Boring?" I think not.
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I'm always confused when people call it a masterpiece. I read the book first and thought THAT was a masterpiece, but then I watched the movie and I was bored out of my skull. I don't think I got all the way through it. This was several years ago, so I might feel differently now.

But I felt the same way about Clockwork Orange, which I attempted more recently, and I think I've more or less decided that I really, really don't like Kubrick. One exception was The Shining, I really enjoyed that... but I still didn't really like some of the cinematography.
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i don't like films that deliberately take out a vital piece of information and make the viewer to find out that piece of info from 3rd party sources. same could be said for donnie darko. david lynch is not one of them, mind you.
Movies are not novels. Generally, characters, events and plot elements have to be compressed in order to fit time constraints. As a director/writer, you have to introduce an audience to a time and place, introduce characters and illustrate their central motivations, expose a plot, resolve it and have enough dead air that the viewers can catch a breath now and again and do all of this in about 2 hours. Novelists can spend chapters and hours introducing characters and plot. That's a luxury film makers don't have. Oddly, one of my favorite parts of 2001 was how it made the audience realize just how boring space travel would be.
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Is Kubrick one of those "love him or hate him" people then? I like a lot of his stuff, Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon, Full Metal Jacket, Spartacus, Dr Strangelove. Shining of course.

I appreciate the point about films not being novels, but I often feel a bit short-changed by directors who seem to think that we all have the attention span of a goldfish and would walk out of the cinema if we had to go more than 10 minutes without some awesome CGI or an action scene.

Often too, it doesn't seem to be altered because of time constraints, but rather because the producers seem to think they can "improve" on the original storyline. Or god forbid, just add some completely new elements for goodness knows what reason.

Maybe with the current trend for different cuts, extended releases etc, we could just have two versions of a movie - a "good" one, and a good one.
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