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Old July 6th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #51

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Most of the list. You did I can't see in my language neither I can find in english unless u have some links , I cant judge them.

The ones I saw that "inspired" a kind of hidden propaganda was Hero wich is full of backdoor sentences on how the people should bend to the state and do whats right for the party ( emperor) .
Qnyway I saw some other movies set in china from red cliff to something about flying knives , or the medallion etc.... Well I yet have to see a decent movie with some minimum of historical belieavebility .
All chinese settled stuff seem that need to have that kungfu stuff and fantasy armors seasoned with unbelieavble masses of people doing something .
Not saying that they are not entertaining on a side , but surely do a pretty poor job ad showing history .
Many movies on Roman empire too are flawed and questionable , but at least some of them portray correct armors and reconstructions like gadiator .
At least the segmentata is quite an iconic armor u cant question about .
For Han movies
I would like to see instead of the fancy stuff and fantasy tolkienish armors , some real Han armors , weapons , tactics and chariots ... Not see the Ming portion of the wall but the real mud and bricks hand wall and so on.


Not everything must be 100% accurate but at least some bits would be nice.

On the other hand to me seems that most of those ancient period chinese movies just take some historical events as a setting to make medieval setting fantasy movies around with little to no interest for actual events or proper reconstructions.


Btw on ur spartacus stuff references....

We are perhaps talking of two different things , I am not against romanticized and fantasy inspired movies from history like for example 300 or even this Hero movie .... But what I rant eventually is about the "labeling" of them as historically correct .
If they are considered freely inspired from real events with fantasy elements then I have nothing to complain ... Btw Spartacus only the first two seasons where cool. , the others where crap.

The other is a videogame ...
Well you mentioned armour and how Chinese movies just like to propagate ironclad soldiers in millions. Do you see any of that in the ones I listed? You don't need to speak the language for that.

Hero - the audience's interpretation that it is totalitarian-supporting propaganda is still just the audience's interpretation.

Red Cliff - it is entirely believable if you realize the fighting scene is for the purpose of entertainment, obviously that is what many Chinese like to watch.

Who labelled Hero as historically correct? What should the ratio be for history:fantasy be to count it as historically correct?

In the West, the director is claiming 300 is historically correct...

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The events are 90 percent accurate. It’s just in the visualization that it’s crazy. A lot of people are like, “You’re debauching history!” I’m like, “Have you read it?”
...despite the fact that Persia was more progressive than Greece, even Athens, with women rights, comparatively non-existent slavery, freedom of religion, etc...

I know Ryse is a video game. Its still media and for the common kid gamer they will think that the all Romans were ironclad badasses.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #52

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Well you mentioned armour and how Chinese movies just like to propagate ironclad soldiers in millions. Do you see any of that in the ones I listed? You don't need to speak the language for that.

Hero - the audience's interpretation that it is totalitarian-supporting propaganda is still just the audience's interpretation.

Red Cliff - it is entirely believable if you realize the fighting scene is for the purpose of entertainment, obviously that is what many Chinese like to watch.

Who labelled Hero as historically correct? What should the ratio be for history:fantasy be to count it as historically correct?

In the West, the director is claiming 300 is historically correct...

...despite the fact that Persia was more progressive than Greece, even Athens, with women rights, comparatively non-existent slavery, freedom of religion, etc...

I know Ryse is a video game. Its still media and for the common kid gamer they will think that the all Romans were ironclad badasses.
Well its based pn the real romanimperial soldier segmentata armour , so there is a point if truth . Yet No viewer knows how real han armors looked like because most of chinese movies show only fantasy tolkienish style armors .
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Look at the pic on page 4.
The 2nd and 3rd picture seem to depict troops in the background with Segmentata.

How would the Chinese troops look? I have no idea. The armor that Adrian Brody is wear is ridiculous.
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Look at the pic on page 4.
The 2nd and 3rd picture seem to depict troops in the background with Segmentata.

How would the Chinese troops look? I have no idea. The armor that Adrian Brody is wear is ridiculous.
Cant seem to find the pics u refer to?

Here is how an Han army should look like .

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The Chinese Han Dynasty Military: Warfare, Army & Weapons

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China: One Hundred Treasures Exhibition on Asianart.com
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Old July 7th, 2014, 02:57 AM   #55
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Roman expeditionary force in China, well thats that's going to be a "historically accurate" film.
The closest roman expeditionary force in relation to China was the one imprisoned together with emperor Valerian in Bishapur. Romans did build some nice mosaics and bridges there, although not by their own will.

I bet the Romans will be equipped with lorica segmentata which is also "historically accurate".
Where is Bishapur located?

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I remember a movie (Clash of Empires, I think) from Malaysia, where romans are connected to south east asia.
But that movie is very bad.
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Well its based pn the real romanimperial soldier segmentata armour , so there is a point if truth . .
Not really. The movie is set in 48BC, lorica segmentata was not adopted by the legions until approximately 9BC (as far as we know).
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Not really. The movie is set in 48BC, lorica segmentata was not adopted by the legions until approximately 9BC (as far as we know).
It probably was , but most probably not on full scale yet.
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they will think that the all Romans were ironclad badasses.
Wait, are you implying they were not?!
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:12 PM   #60

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Well its based pn the real romanimperial soldier segmentata armour , so there is a point if truth . Yet No viewer knows how real han armors looked like because most of chinese movies show only fantasy tolkienish style armors .
No viewer knows how real Han armour looks like because Chinese only show ONLY fantasy tolkienish style armors? That is clearly false if you watch Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Red Cliff. Your lack of knowledge regarding the Chinese cinema based entirely on a few fantasy series does not prove your case.

Compare the armour in the series/movies I listed, they are the same as the figures you show.

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