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Old November 19th, 2010, 01:56 AM   #21

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Re: How did the first king or leader of civilization come to be?


Read the story of Romulus and Remus. Ok, Romulus wasn't the first king ever, but you might get an idea of how a king takes an unsued bit of land, uses his charisma to attract a lot of followers, and builds a nation.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 04:53 AM   #22
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Hey, why not? Chimps have leaders.
The point is that the first Human Leaders got the job by natural social interaction. By being the strongest or most respected or the eldest or most violent or whatever. If you want to cut away all the extra layers and get down to the basics, go look at how animals establish their pecking orders.

That's all I was trying to say. I should have written another sentence or two.
okay coool. You make a good point. A king could have "evolved" to be in his position of power. Like Aborigines have "chiefs." I am also left to guess that Eanatum was king the same way a chief is made. Perhaps he was the biggest and strongest. Or perhaps the smartest.

Although i am a little depressed with humanity that we don't even recall how this happened exactly. Maybe it is written some where and i just can't find it.
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Read the story of Romulus and Remus. Ok, Romulus wasn't the first king ever, but you might get an idea of how a king takes an unsued bit of land, uses his charisma to attract a lot of followers, and builds a nation.
And Caesar too. Civil wars and violence are the most chosen ways to get the throne and a leader should also be a spiritual one. So if you preach that you are a prophet you'll be likely to become a leader.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 05:46 AM   #24

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Actually, my memory is short. I watched a BBC program last week called Ancient Worlds which charts the rise of civilization. Maybe you could look it up online. I remember something about the first kings and the first city states being the catalyst for the invention of writing. The need was there to catalogue and administer the nation. Could be a good place for you to start.
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okay i will thanx : D
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Old November 20th, 2010, 06:15 AM   #26

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Your question is splitting into two components;

1. How the the first king come to be.

2. Who was the first known king.

The first king in all likelihood was the first chap strong enough and smart enough to extend his "protection" over several villages or a small localized region. Two possibilities occur to me, the first king was motivated by avarice or power hungry and took control by force and the second possibility is that several villages banded together for mutual defense.

Coin toss on which occurred.

Any other possibilities come to mind?

I have no idea who the first known king is.
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Old November 20th, 2010, 07:48 AM   #27

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how did the 1st king come to be king?? kick-boxing?? he would have to be the best fighter with a kick-ass posse
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Old November 20th, 2010, 07:55 AM   #28

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well, maybe something like Genghis Khan. Temujin start as a tribe leader. then unite another tribe. either by defeat them or something else. then he formed biggest landlocked empire.
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Well there has been chiefs and chiefdoms probably way back when man first got on his two legs, some .one had to make decisions. The difference between chiefs and kings is the sacred at one time a good place to start would have been Fraizer’s The Golden Bough: A Study in Religion and Magic but things have moved on, but well worth the read.

The first Mesopotamian ruler who declared himself divine was Naram-Sin of Akkad. Naram-Sin reigned sometime during the 23rd century BCE but the exact dates and duration of his reign are still subject to research. According to his own inscription the people of the city of Akkad wished him to be the god of their city. This first instance of self-deification also coincides with the first world empire of the rulers of Akkad, the first time that a dynasty established a territorial ruler over large parts of Mesopotamia. It was also accompanied by certain changes in religion, in which the king proliferated the cult of the Ishtar, the goddess of war and love. Naram-Sin seems to have emphasized Ishtar in her war-like aspect (‘ashtar annunitum) and began to refer to himself as the husband/warrior of Ishtar.

After Naram-Sin no ruler declared himself divine until about 200 years had passed, when Shulgi (2095–2049 BCE), the second king of the Third Dynasty of Ur, took up the custom of self-deification once more. His self-deification may have been viewed in attempts to consolidate the empire he had inherited from his father. The cult of the divine ruler seems to have culminated under Shu-Sin, who was probably Shulgi’s son or grandson and began an extensive program of self-worship (Brisch in press). After Shu-Sin the divinization kings was abandoned once more.

Whether the kings of the Old Babylonian period (c. 2000–1595 BCE) can be considered divine is still subject to debate. Some consider the kings Rim-Sin of Larsa (1822–1763 BCE) and the famous Hammurabi of Babylon (1792–1750 BCE) to have been divine. Both kings struggled to expand their area of influence, and therefore their self-deification may have been part of a strategy to consolidate and legitimize their powers.
http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/symposia/2007.html

The bibliography at the end of the article would be of help
 
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 02:58 PM   #30

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Re: How did the first king or leader of civilization come to be?


Try this wikipedia page:

History_of_Sumer History_of_Sumer

As you can see, they believed that their civilisation arrived at its location fully formed which, to me, denotes they they may have believed in some divine agency. Many civilisations believed that their leaders (monarchs, whatever) were descendants of gods: the Anglo-Saxons traced their kings back to Woden; the Egyptians, of course, believed that their monarchs were gods.

Which leads me to my next point. The main prerequisites of being a king are:

1. Being a murdering bastard, even if by proxy. Nice monarchs are rare and don't last.

2. Brains are a big help. But not strictly necessary: people with brains can be hired. Most thug kings of England had brainy cohorts, but the really successful ones had brains as well as a murderous, ruthless streak. Edward I, Henry VIII, Alfred the Great being just 3 examples.

3. It helps to claim descent from or close relationship to God or gods. This legitimises a monarch (God or gods are underwriting his kingship), and thus remove the necessity of constantly using violence to keep his crown on his head and his head on his shoulders. Also, threat of divine retribution for acts of defiance against a king was a very powerful lever. In short, religious leaders and monarchs collude to keep social order, and hence one legitimises the other. Frederick Barbarossa (Holy Roman Emperor) probably made best use of this.

Something resembling kings must have happened quite early on in Human history. However, I do not think that kings were initially just thugs: human populations were very, very small, and hence there was little competition during our hunter gatherer days. More important, most likely, was the ability to guide his tribe to new hunting grounds, find shelter, make the right decisions etc. Kings as we know them were probably a result of Neolithic period settling and farming: and as human population grew, (which took a long while), prime land would need defending.

Ug the Great was one of my ancestors....... we've not progressed much since
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