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Old August 22nd, 2014, 09:10 PM   #11

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What about the songs they sang to comfort themselves? You'll have to check for Primary sources yourself...see if american newspapers at the time cover it...there are many many books on slavery..first hand accounts and others
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If you're interested in the Religious, Philosophical, and Ethical side, I'd strongly recommend checking out this book:

A Defense of Virginia and the South: R. L. Dabney: 9780873779296: Amazon.com: Books

It's basically a polemic by the Rev. Dr. R. L. Dabney (famous for his Biography of Stonewall Jackson and his Systematic Theology, slightly less famous for being Jackson's chief of staff), defending slavery from a Religious, Philosophical, and Ethical perspective. It was written during the war, I believe with the intent of publishing it in the UK to try and gain sympathy for the south, but I want to say it wasn't published until after the war, 1866 if I recall correctly. There are a lot of pro-abolitionist texts out there, so I'm sure you'll have little trouble finding the issue covered from that perspective, but pro-slavery original sources are slightly more difficult to come by.
These were also my first thoughts. I'm not sure about meshing them together but I can envision a number of interesting scenarios involving the development of "negro spirituals" and contemporary religious views about slavery.
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Religion and Slavery in the US is a very broad topic. You have National Churches that split up over the issue of slavery . Both abolitionists and slavery supporters used religion to support their arguments. But I have two ideas.

First is Southern Abolitionists and how religion influenced their views.

Moncure Conway, Southern Abolitionist | Renegade South

Though most Southern Abolitionists were either silenced or quit in their beliefs by the 1830's So you could look at Southerners who had been in favor of abolition before say 1830 but afterward that became supporters of slavery.

Another topic would be Free Black Churches in the South. Their roles and how they dealt with the rise of the Abolition movement in the North and the backlash in the South. You might be able to find one or two churches in the upper south and or the coastal areas where there more free blacks.
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First off, I want to apologize for not responding sooner. I've read the responses and I'm extremely grateful for your time. Its been a busy week and a lot of stuff to do.

I have a meeting with my professor where I'll get to run a few things by him.

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Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but after the import ban most of the slavers that sailed from the US were financed by Northerners and sailed from Northern ports.
This is an extremely cool fact, not exactly what I was looking for, but I want to look into it now!
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What about the songs they sang to comfort themselves? You'll have to check for Primary sources yourself...see if american newspapers at the time cover it...there are many many books on slavery..first hand accounts and others
Great idea. Thanks!
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If you're interested in the Religious, Philosophical, and Ethical side, I'd strongly recommend checking out this book:

A Defense of Virginia and the South: R. L. Dabney: 9780873779296: Amazon.com: Books

It's basically a polemic by the Rev. Dr. R. L. Dabney (famous for his Biography of Stonewall Jackson and his Systematic Theology, slightly less famous for being Jackson's chief of staff), defending slavery from a Religious, Philosophical, and Ethical perspective. It was written during the war, I believe with the intent of publishing it in the UK to try and gain sympathy for the south, but I want to say it wasn't published until after the war, 1866 if I recall correctly. There are a lot of pro-abolitionist texts out there, so I'm sure you'll have little trouble finding the issue covered from that perspective, but pro-slavery original sources are slightly more difficult to come by.
Definitely taking this one out of the library, and I'm going to ask my professor about it.
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My professor advised that instead of looking to argue something, we look to answer something...

Your professor has given you some outstanding advice, follow it.

1. "How evenly was slave ownership distributed in ___ County, N. Carolina between 1815 and 1865?"

Slave ownership changed between those dates, and your task is to find out how it changed. Stick to the "How", rather than the "Why" to keep your paper focused. How many slaves existed within your geographic boundaries over the study period, and how many of the county's population owned slaves. Did the number of slaves owned by a single owner increase, or decrease, and by how much? How rich in property were the various owners, and how many were Black, or Native American. How did the price of slaves change over the study period?

Census reports should give you a good foundation for the fifty years of your study. Add to those State and County records of sales and transfers of property, both human and land. Once you've clearly defined the geography, look to find where slaves were owned. Plantation accounts, though written by owners, should give you plenty of color and other avenues to investigate. Local newspapers are a good source, but should generally be regarded as secondary. Finding large concentrations of slave ownership should be relatively easy, but you will have to dig to discover just how extensive slave ownership was among the minor and poorer citizens of the study area. Any slave accounts you find will be pure gold and fantastic luck. This sort of question could be developed into a Master's Thesis without too much effort, but is still within reach of undergraduate students.

2. "How did the ban on slave importation change how slavery evolved in the first half of the 19th century of N. Carolina's history?"

This topic focuses a bit more on finding the outcomes from a single causation. How did owners use/employ their slaves before and after the ban on importation. In some States, owners shifted from owning field hands to actively work their plantations, to breeding slaves for sale. Sort of like a feed lot for slavery. Sources may found in very much the same places as mentioned above. If the concentration shifted during the study period from small owners to large plantation owners, that might be a clue. A comparison between your study area in N. Carolina and the neighboring States might be interesting to pursue.
Great professor, thanks for the confirmation! I really like the distribution question. Going to run it by my professor.
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These were also my first thoughts. I'm not sure about meshing them together but I can envision a number of interesting scenarios involving the development of "negro spirituals" and contemporary religious views about slavery.
In a past class I heard about such things. I'd like to do something that is somewhat unique, but depending on the topic I go with, I can definitely see myself being able to incorporate something like this.

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Religion and Slavery in the US is a very broad topic. You have National Churches that split up over the issue of slavery . Both abolitionists and slavery supporters used religion to support their arguments. But I have two ideas.

First is Southern Abolitionists and how religion influenced their views.

Moncure Conway, Southern Abolitionist | Renegade South

Though most Southern Abolitionists were either silenced or quit in their beliefs by the 1830's So you could look at Southerners who had been in favor of abolition before say 1830 but afterward that became supporters of slavery.

Another topic would be Free Black Churches in the South. Their roles and how they dealt with the rise of the Abolition movement in the North and the backlash in the South. You might be able to find one or two churches in the upper south and or the coastal areas where there more free blacks.
I really like this: "Their roles and how they dealt with the rise of the Abolition movement in the North and the backlash in the South" thanks!!!
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This is an extremely cool fact, not exactly what I was looking for, but I want to look into it now!
Go here: Documents relating to the USN from founding to the end of World War I.

Scroll down, you'll find a fair amount of primary sources, including information on New York's part in the slave trade.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #16

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Go here: Documents relating to the USN from founding to the end of World War I.

Scroll down, you'll find a fair amount of primary sources, including information on New York's part in the slave trade.
Thanks so much!!!!
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I'm really liking the idea of researching anti slavery in the south pre civil war & (pre 1830ish). I know the Quakers were against it, and some Wesleyans. Maybe look at several different groups of people and compare their stances? In general it must have been extremely hard to exist in the south and be anti-slavery. (You have to be pretty crazy)

Slavery and the Meetinghouse: The Quakers and the Abolitionist Dilemma, 1820-1865: Ryan P. Jordan: 9780253348609: Amazon.com: Books
Slavery and the Meetinghouse: The Quakers and the Abolitionist Dilemma, 1820-1865: Ryan P. Jordan: 9780253348609: Amazon.com: Books

I'm not sure how easy it will be to find primary sources. Does it seem feasible?

I guess the question I would be asking is "How was it feasible for individuals to live in the south and be anti-slavery, and why were they anti-slavery?"

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I'm really liking the idea of researching anti slavery in the south pre civil war & (pre 1830ish). I know the Quakers were against it, and some Wesleyans. Maybe look at several different groups of people and compare their stances? In general it must have been extremely hard to exist in the south and be anti-slavery. (You have to be pretty crazy) Slavery and the Meetinghouse: The Quakers and the Abolitionist Dilemma, 1820-1865: Ryan P. Jordan: 9780253348609: Amazon.com: Books
I'm not sure how easy it will be to find primary sources. Does it seem feasible?

I guess the question I would be asking is "How was it feasible for individuals to live in the south and be anti-slavery, and why were they anti-slavery?"
You might like to check out the Moravians as well. Off memory, a group of them moved from the North and settled in North? Carolina. Moravians were anti-slavery, but for some reason that changed with the Southern group when they moved.

Sorry to be so sketchy. If I come across a source, I'll link it.

EDIT: This one might be helpful
http://www.ncdcr.gov/Portals/7/Colla....moravians.pdf

Actually, I was certain they opposed slavery with the PA Moravians. But this website says that Moravians did not have an issue with slavery.

Anyway, you may find it of interest even so.

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You might like to check out the Moravians as well. Off memory, a group of them moved from the North and settled in North? Carolina. Moravians were anti-slavery, but for some reason that changed with the Southern group when they moved.

Sorry to be so sketchy. If I come across a source, I'll link it.

EDIT: This one might be helpful
http://www.ncdcr.gov/Portals/7/Colla....moravians.pdf

Actually, I was certain they opposed slavery with the PA Moravians. But this website says that Moravians did not have an issue with slavery.

Anyway, you may find it of interest even so.
This is exactly the type of stuff I find interesting. A community closely modeled after Christian love and unity, and yet they were able to support slavery.

Thanks!!!
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Slavery, and almost any 19th century Southerner would point out to you, is sanctioned by the Bible. Slavery isn't a good thing, its something to be avoided for yourself, but slavery is an excepted social condition. If we had a "Way Back" machine, I doubt that Jesus would have condoned it. Christianity was popular among the poor, weak and slaves who loved it's leveling tendencies. As Christianity became dominant, Christians had no difficulty in owning slaves ... unless they were Christians. Ah, Chauvinism.
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