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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:25 PM   #21

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I'll play the role of spoiler here.

What is the difference between one member asking for all the information this
board can give on a question and another member asking a question for all the
answers members can give? Why doesn't the one asking the question, in
homework or not section, just look it up themselves? How do we know a person
isn't in college and asking a question? Shouldn't they be censored just as a high school
student is?
There is no requirement for non-homework questions to demonstrate what the person asking the question
knows before answers flow.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #22

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What is the difference between one member asking for all the information this
board can give on a question and another member asking a question for all the
answers members can give?
I would say the difference is the commitment to understanding history. A non-student who's on this forum is here for the love of history. If he or she asks a question, it's presumable that he or she is doing so out of a genuine interest in the topic.

A student, on the other hand, may or may not have a love of history. They might be here for no other reason than to try and get out of their homework assignment with as little effort as possible. Or they could be like PinkIce, who really wants to fully understand the topic at hand. I think we should do everything we can to encourage the latter and discourage the former. IMO.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #23
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I'll play the role of spoiler here.

What is the difference between one member asking for all the information this
board can give on a question and another member asking a question for all the
answers members can give? Why doesn't the one asking the question, in
homework or not section, just look it up themselves? How do we know a person
isn't in college and asking a question? Shouldn't they be censored just as a high school
student is?
There is no requirement for non-homework questions to demonstrate what the person asking the question
knows before answers flow.
Exactly what I am trying to say. I've already looked up everything I asked and already know most of the stuff. But some questions I just needed some rewording, dumb it down, I guess. I sometimes do not understand what the professor is asking.

Now the questions I asked like the war of 1812, who do you think won. I already looked that up everywhere on google, I youtubed it, looked at different people's opinion. BUt I came here to have an actual conversation with people because sometimes it is easier to get the gist of things if you 'discuss' things rather then just read about what other people have to say about or researching about things.

Same for Jackson, do you think he represented the common man, I already googled everyone's opinion, but again, I'd like to have an actual discussion with real people in real time rather then just looking up what others have said and not getting to ask them questions, why they think this, but this, but that, etc.

I could go to YAHOO answers and just get homework help there as usual but we do not have the option of the blog feature to interact with each other and hear different people's opinion of each other and replying to each other and so forth. So going to YAHOO answers and asking for help does not help me at all. If I just wanted to answer a question on my assignment, it would help, but I need to actually learn and understand the material, that is why I need the option to discuss things with people.

So I hope I can get enough help here. But I noticed some hold back information because of the rules, and it does not help me to understand things I need to.

Many of you are very helpful though. I appreciate everyones help.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:50 PM   #24

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I would say the difference is the commitment to understanding history. A non-student who's on this forum is here for the love of history. If he or she asks a question, it's presumable that he or she is doing so out of a genuine interest in the topic.

A student, on the other hand, may or may not have a love of history. They might be here for no other reason than to try and get out of their homework assignment with as little effort as possible. Or they could be like PinkIce, who really wants to fully understand the topic at hand. I think we should do everything we can to encourage the latter and discourage the former. IMO.
Going back to my question. What's the difference between a college
student asking the question and a high school student asking?


I'm working on my Masters in US History and what is to stop me
from asking a question and having others answer it for me? I don't have
to say what I know or don't know for an answer.

Kids can go to any website and cut and paste from there and attempt to turn that
in, they don't have to come here and wait. The barricades we throw up here are
easily hurdled and faster just by surfing for the answer.

Why does a member here, for however long, ask a history question for
others to ask and not look it up themselves? They are not asked to
give a speech about what they don't or do know about the topic.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #25

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Going back to my question. What's the difference between a college
student asking the question and a high school student asking?


I'm working on my Masters in US History and what is to stop me
from asking a question and having others answer it for me?
Absolutely nothing's to stop you from doing that, except yourself. And you love history too much to do that, and you know too much about history to just accept our answers verbatim without doing any research of your own.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 12:57 PM   #26

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Absolutely nothing's to stop you from doing that, except yourself. And you love history too much to do that, and you know too much about history to just accept our answers verbatim without doing any research of your own.
Ha, you're right there. There very very few members here I'd trust
to listen to about US History. You're on the short, short list as far
as US History.

I"m just playing the fly in the pudding here.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #27
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Also, I know we are suppose to search for posts to see if our answers have been answered, but again, back to an earlier post, as I as saying, for me to be able to understand things, I need to have actual conversations with people from my own original question. Because I am not doing 'homework' but studying for exams. I can get better answers on GOOGLE and reputable history websites. I'm here because I need to discuss things and converse and as someone said earlier, let the answers flow from their.

Plus unless someone already had my professor, they will not have the exact questions that professor is asking from his study guide he provided. Unless it was a simple question like to explain the causes and outcomes of the war of 1812. I don't even need to come here for that. It is already on google and many people posted it on youtube. And whether we won or did not win that war, it seems it is a matter based on opinion and I'd like to ask people's opinion on certain things and why they think it.

I just prefer to start my own thread so I can better understand the material. I'm not here looking for 'answers' but here to to gain knowledge and understanding of the subject. There is a big difference.

I hope people can understand that.

Thank you everybody.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #28
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Going back to my question. What's the difference between a college
student asking the question and a high school student asking?

I'm working on my Masters in US History and what is to stop me
from asking a question and having others answer it for me? I don't have
to say what I know or don't know for an answer.

Kids can go to any website and cut and paste from there and attempt to turn that
in, they don't have to come here and wait. The barricades we throw up here are
easily hurdled and faster just by surfing for the answer.

Why does a member here, for however long, ask a history question for
others to ask and not look it up themselves? They are not asked to
give a speech about what they don't or do know about the topic.

That is true. I youtubed who won the war of 1812 and got many videos to explain it. But sometimes having actual conversations with people in a blog and allowing others to participate their own insight can help me better understand the subject. Sometimes people say things that finally trigger a certain part of my brain that I kept missing earlier. I could google and youtube the same things over and over but still never get it.

For example, The Trail of Tears. My professor lectured very briefly about Jackson's Indian Removal Act. But it never hit me on 'why' it is nicknamed the Trail of Tears and never crossed my mind to ask. I just thought it is because it is a sad event, so they cried, and so that is why it is nicknamed that. I youtubed more and more videos to get a better understanding of the subject (I think I am OCD. I can research all day on one thing) And finally someone YouTubed a much better video because it included drawings of Indians walking to their destination of Oklahoma, struggling, dyinging, crying, and then it hit me. I even asked my boyfriend last night why he thinks they call it the Trail of Tears so see what he would say and he replied the same thing as me. I explained to him the Youtube video I saw and then he understood the meaning behind the name.

So that is why I am here. I graduated high school in 1993 just barely making it. I don't think I learned much in high school besides basic math and reading. I feel I have a learning disability but when I took the test on campus to see if I had a learning disability, apparently I was not 'dumb' enough.

So I am here to gain knowledge of this subject because taking this class was my biggest fear. I know nothing about history but apparently I am learning a lot and so proud of myself. But I really need help, and when I come here to ask questions, I am not looking for answers, I can assure you, we don't get assigned any homework, like high school. Just exams. So it makes it even really harder because if you did not catch what the professor said in lecture, we are screwed.

But I do understand that some students are here just for the answers, and I hope they realize, that if they do not understand the material, they will pay for it when it come exam time, or when they get to college. Exams are seriously difficult and if you do not understand the material, good luck.

As someone said earlier, you can just get most answers by googling it. Having to register for this account, I am so lazy to do it, but I am determined to get an A in my class so I will do whatever I can to get it.

Thanks for everyones help!! I really appreciate it!! I actually am impressed that some students find this website. Definitely have to be a pro at googling. I highly doubt any of my class mates know about it. I would tell them, but as someone said, if they really want to know the stuff, they need to make the effort.

Thanks again.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #29

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thank you!!! People like you are such a blessing!!
Well, I always feel pleased if I can tell someone something they want to know, because I've been reading history books for years and picked up bits of information which I never thought would be any use, so I like to be able to pass things on if they are of any use. I think it is better than dying with all that information lying around unused.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 02:10 PM   #30

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It has been two years since I last ranted about the 'Homework' section and although I still object to it in principle I'm not going to do it again, other than to say I'm not bothered simply because I don't read that particular sub-forum any more.
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